Chat Q & A from The War at Home Webinar

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17:01:21 From  Eve Levenson  to  All panelists : Can you make the trailer full-screen?

17:04:50 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Is my cousin Margo watching this?

17:05:50 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Margo Williams is a participant

17:06:02 From  Anna Ercoli Schnitzer  to  All panelists : Thank you for presenting this!  We should not forget our history, especially not the anti-war movement!

17:06:23 From  Margot Williams  to  Everyone : I’m not your cousin though. am i?

17:06:57 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Warren is a reflection of the beautiful movement that has grown out of the movement and the movements of today.

17:07:05 From  Tena Karpatkin  to  Everyone : Heather Booth!!!

17:07:14 From  Tena Karpatkin  to  Everyone : EVE!!!!!!!!!!

17:07:22 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Thanks Heather! Hi to you! My cousin is Margo Greenberg who went to Wisconsin in the 1960s. No offense to you Margot!

17:07:44 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : His, Wonderful Tena!  and Stephen!

17:08:27 From  Margot Williams  to  Everyone : CCNY Commune 1960s

17:08:47 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : So nice to see you here Heather. We’re doc filmmakers and friends with Lily Rivlin

17:08:50 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : So happy to be on this call and recall my early roots in social activism—protesting the Vietnam War!

17:08:55 From  Dan Petegorsky  to  All panelists : The chat's not set up for participants to chat privately with one another.

17:09:04 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Loved the film about you

17:09:48 From  Allen Swerdlowe  to  Everyone : Hi Glenn.

17:10:47 From  John Weil  to  Everyone : Biden was one of the primary supporters of the US bombing, invasion & occupation of Iraq. 

17:11:18 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  All panelists : Go Heather and Eve! You both rock!!

17:11:18 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : Looks like Biden's hiring all sorts of corporate types (plus some good hires, like Deb Haaland).

17:11:22 From  Bob Zellner  to  All panelists : Happy Birthday Heather!

17:11:28 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : So great that this is happening! Mandy Carter, she/her/hers . Durham, NC. Via War Resisters League West in 1967 CD arrest at Oakland Induction Center with 10 days in Santa Rita jail.

17:11:43 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : It is up to our movement to build the power to make sure peace and justice are on the agenda.  It is up to us as well as political leadership we have the power to elect  It is not a static situation as you know.

17:12:12 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Happy Birthday Heather!

17:12:16 From  Claire Gorfinkel  to  Everyone : hi Mandy, from Claire Gorfinkel

17:12:24 From  Steve Ladd  to  Everyone : Hi Mandy!

17:12:32 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Happy Birthday Heather!!

17:12:36 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : We helped him get elected; he hasn't done much for us so far.

17:12:54 From  Claire Gorfinkel  to  Everyone : hi Steve Ladd

17:12:59 From  Robin Parker  to  All panelists : Happy Birthday, Heather! Hi Eve!!

17:13:05 From  Robert Levering  to  Everyone : HI Mandy, Claire, Steve

17:13:19 From  Mark Barbash  to  Everyone : Happy Birthday Heather

17:13:36 From  Cynthia France  to  All panelists : yes!

17:13:42 From  Claire Gorfinkel  to  Everyone : hi, Bob Levering

17:13:46 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Hey Steve Ladd!, Claire Gorfinkel.!..who else is on here from WRL West? and/or other WRL folks?

17:14:01 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Love you, Robin Parker!  You

17:14:20 From  Terry Murray  to  All panelists : Hi Heather! I heard you at the Chicago Red Squad symposium. i got my Red Squad file when I was 16!

17:14:20 From  Steve Watrous  to  All panelists : Hi Heather,  if by Stephen you mean me, Steve Watrous, great to see you!  It's been several years.  In case you mean a different Stephen, I first met you around 1974 at the Midwest Academy, and at many of the reunions.  I'm still active in Milwaukee.

17:14:30 From  Stu Levitan  to  All panelists : Glenn rocking the Badger cap

17:14:53 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Hey

17:15:05 From  wright george  to  Everyone : Hello to all

17:15:06 From  Sharon Cohen  to  All panelists : hello all UW 1960s alumni.

17:15:19 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Hey Bob Levering!!

17:15:32 From  Michaela Majoun  to  All panelists : Hi, Glenn!

17:15:40 From  Bob Meola  to  Everyone : HI, Steve Ladd, Mandy, and Claire. This is Bob Meola from WRL and WRL-West.

17:15:47 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Is Karl participating? Could we see all participants?

17:15:52 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : Hello from David Hughes, IPC Pittsburgh!

17:16:01 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Hey Bob Meola!!!!

17:16:03 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Bob Zellner--a HERO of social justice movements from SNCC to the Poor People's Campaign.  What an audience we have

17:16:22 From  John McAuliff  to  Everyone : To You should be able to see the list of all participants and choose one to communicate with individually by clicking the downward arrow next to the right of "To"

17:16:46 From  Michael Kaufman  to  All panelists : Hello from occupied Chochenyo Ohlone land, Oakland, CA

17:16:54 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Only says panelists and attendees

17:17:06 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : But no names.

17:17:08 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : High School friend of David Fine. We joined SDS with older U of Delaware friends. I moved on to NYU SDS. David went to Madison.

17:17:10 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : No list of participants

17:17:17 From  Mark Barbash  to  Everyone : You can only see names on Zoom Meeting Room, not zoom webinar

17:17:19 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Hi All

17:17:29 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Greetings from Marty Tandler

17:17:38 From  Jim Barton  to  Everyone : Amazing audience! Like the first pressing of Velvet Underground. Only a thousand people bought it, but each of them started their own musical group.

17:17:39 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : I was at the first teach in at the University of Michigan- in March of 1965.

17:17:53 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Former Pres of SDS Madison

17:17:54 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : (Bummer. Mental note.)

17:18:00 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Marty Tandsler

17:18:05 From  John Weil  to  Everyone : I learned a lot about the powerful antiwar movement in Wisconsin, and by extension the Upper Midwest, by watching "The War at Home."

17:18:17 From  Eve Levenson (she/her), MFOL  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : If Tena Karpatkin asks a question, I recommend you call on her! She’s a youth activist who worked on the Biden campaign with Heather & I and is a few years younger than me!

17:18:22 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Meant Marty TYandler

17:18:29 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Tandler

17:18:51 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Al Haber still active in Ann Arbor. See his f-book page.

17:19:51 From  wright george  to  Everyone : wright bruce george USAF 67-71 airlift air evac mortuary... this is great!

17:20:09 From  Michael Kaufman  to  Everyone : Hello from occupied Chochenyo Ohlone land, Oakland, CA

17:20:13 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Kristin Cabral and I visited with Al Haber at his house in Ann Arbor

17:20:14 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Dover?

17:20:26 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : Mandy Carter wanted to know if the CHAT comments will be available afterwards for participants to access/see?

17:20:42 From  John McAuliff  to  Everyone : Special guests who will be introduced to speak at the end:   Paul Soglin  former Mayor in film

         Karl Armstrong in film, imprisoned for the bombing of the Army Math Research Center, paroled because of community pressure 

         Doug Bradley  Vietnam Veteran in film

         Artesimio Romero y Carver  environmental activist in Santa Fe, NM

17:20:44 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Judy Gumbo, Yippie and anti-war activist; also recent panelist on John’s webinar about the Chicago 7; with Art Eckstein, retired professor and author of Bad Moon Rising: How the Weather Underground Beat the FBI and Lost the Revolution. Hello to all!

17:20:52 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : No way to see list of all participants

17:21:10 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Al is great guy. Great fight to preserve public space at Public Library site.

17:21:20 From  John Weil  to  Everyone : Hello from Portland Oregon where we have been seeing, for months, the police acting much like they did on the U of Wisconsin at Madison campus during the Vietnam War era.

17:22:35 From  wright george  to  Everyone : McGuire AFB

17:22:49 From  Jim Russell  to  Everyone : Hi to everyone from those days in Madison. I'm now in Portland, Oregon.  Jim Russell

17:23:18 From  Mark Barbash  to  Everyone : Glenn, the War at Home was a terrific film. I grew up in Madison and was on campus during the anti war movement. It brought back many conflicting emotions about tha ttime. 

17:23:30 From  John Bancroft  to  All panelists : Part of the reason there are relatively so few photographs of the antiwar movement is that we were scared the photos of people would end up with the FBI. Often if you took photos at a demonstration someone would shout out "no photos!"

17:24:16 From  Mark Barbash  to  Everyone : Margie Tabankin

17:24:19 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Hey Jim, Jack’s friend here, in Cambridge. How are you? Happy Christmas!

17:24:26 From  Laramie Silber  to  All panelists : Fantastic introduction to the discussion, Glenn!

17:25:34 From  Bianca Sopoci-Belkna  to  All panelists : Whoever is sharing their screen - you click on your audio settings

17:25:53 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  Mark Barbash and all panelists : Is this the Mark Barbash I know from Ohio?  Brewster

17:26:07 From  Milt Mankoff  to  All panelists : Hi. I was in Madison from 1964-68 and at some of the events in the film...march to Truax to arrest base commander for war crimes. Surprising lt didn't happen. The truth squad, Dow. Loved the film. Now in NYC. Milt Mankoff

17:26:08 From  Mark Barbash  to  Everyone : Hey Brewster! You bet. Hope you're well

17:26:19 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : It’s really “okay” to be a credible threat! )But of course it’s meant to terrorize you, and all of us. “Our” government...)

17:26:20 From  Tom Weiner  to  All panelists : Tom Weiner, anti-Vietnam War activist at Trinity College and author of CALLED TO SERVE: STORIES OF MEN AND WOMEN CONFRONTED BY THE VIETNAM WAR DRAFT - capturing stories of all the choices before us and including women who “Loved, Counseled and Supported” and adapted into the play, “The Draft”, which is now a film.  tweiner909@comcast.net if you’re interested..

17:26:44 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Welcome to Madison, everyone!  And welcome home to Glenn and everyone else who was here during the years depicted in this extraordinary film.

17:26:50 From  John Weil  to  Everyone : Powerful point.

17:28:09 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : The current occupant of the White House is and has been a real threat to democracy.

17:28:48 From  Stu Levitan  to  All panelists : NSA was founded at UW, yes

17:28:59 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : The next one will be. too. Just you wait.

17:29:42 From  John Weil  to  Everyone : Can't see it

17:29:50 From  Margot Williams  to  Everyone : nope

17:29:54 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : Me neither

17:29:55 From  Joseph Gorrell  to  Everyone : Dow in 1967 was not the first Dow demonstration. I was part of Dow 1966 and ended up on the front page of the Milwaukee Sentinel

17:29:59 From  Susan Oehler  to  Everyone : can’t see it

17:29:59 From  Peggy Chane  to  All panelists : Cannot see the list

17:30:02 From  Gerry Werhan  to  Everyone : Such an inspiration! Veterans For Peace here in Asheville, NC, along with the Sunrise Movement and Democratic Socialists of America are fighting a new Pratt & Whitney/Raytheon plant here in our county. My vision for what we can do, and MUST do, have been elevated by what this film and conversation is all about.

17:30:04 From  Ted Morgan  to  All panelists : Can't see participants.

17:30:06 From  Claire Gorfinkel  to  Everyone : No, John, it's not visible.

17:30:12 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : Still cannot see the list!

17:30:13 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : No John.

17:30:14 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Nope. Not yet. Keep trying!

17:30:18 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : I see Mandy Carter is in the house!  Another great hero for justice!

17:30:39 From  Martha Kirpes  to  Everyone : Student housing co-ops in Ann Arbor still one of the strongest orgs of its kind, along with other student housing coops around US and in Canada

17:31:20 From  Andrew Berman  to  Everyone : http://andyberman.blogspot.com/2010/08/burden-of-the-family-military-tradition.html

17:31:22 From  Peggy Chane  to  Everyone : cannot see the list

17:31:57 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Hey Heather!! Shout back at you as well. Really appreciated what you shared in your intro. ..and we are all still here.

17:32:32 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Gerry: Connect with MA Peace Action - Raytheon a big focus for some members for years. Raytheon biggest employer here in MA. Nominee Austin for “Defense” was on Board; $500 million in Raytheon stock!

17:32:40 From  Martha Kirpes  to  Everyone : The movie postscript gave me a view into the experiences of my once-upon-a-time supervisor in the Iowa Extension Service and went to school in Madison, and who went to Canada for awhile and was a conscientious objector.   The day I started work he told me the FBI would probably look into me as they had a file on him

17:33:23 From  Alex Knopp  to  Everyone : Greetings to my former colleagues and current friends Brewster and John and others from Alex Knopp in Connecticut!

17:33:33 From  Martha & Bob Spanninger & Mueller  to  Everyone : Bob Zellner - I still haven’t seen the film!  when and how???

17:33:40 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : I entered college in 1968 and my first trip (ever) to DC was the first Anti-war march in DC—I spent my 18tth birthday taking over a building at NYU to protest ROTC on campus and transferred to Brandeis where we closed down the school in protest of the Kent State killings and helped create the National Strike Center at Brandeis. Thanks for bringing this all back—it is how my activism started and it has not stopped!

17:34:51 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : What building at NYU?? NYU SDS here.

17:35:27 From  Jim Barton  to  Everyone : John- How many people on the call?

17:35:34 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : I was growing up in St.Louis during these years.  Anyone in attendance here who was at Wash. U. when the ROTC building was burned?  If so, thank you for opening my eyes.

17:35:45 From  Eve Levenson (she/her), MFOL  to  All panelists : There re 233 people on the call right now!

17:35:53 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Be sure to “record” and also save “chat”!

17:35:58 From  Paul Lauter  to  All panelists : The film stirred up in me the passion I tried to write about in my new book, "Our Sixties."  As Heather just said, "we moved the country."  We did,   Paul

17:36:04 From  Katherine Power  to  All panelists : fellow Brandeis student here, active at the Strike Center. Katherine Power

17:36:27 From  Tony Del Plato  to  All panelists : Trump is NOT YET out of office

17:36:38 From  Bette Bono  to  Everyone : Greetings to all. From Bette Bono, here in Connecticut.

17:36:51 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : It was thee NYU Uptown Campus where Jay Oliva was the “Ombudsman”—we took over Gould Hall I think it was called!

17:37:04 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : Question in the Q&A box you can ask:  Sam Coleman 05:34 PM 

You’re all the perfect people to ask: how do we unite the anti-war/peace movement and civil rights as in BLM?

17:37:29 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : NO, but the fellow who hid out in Scottsdale, AZ, and whose cover was blown by a dumbass reporter, was on the radio there recently. St. Louis. Mechanic!

17:38:15 From  Jim Russell  to  Everyone : There were a lot of other strong women leaders in Madison. I was there.

17:38:44 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : So you must know Denis O’Neill. I was Downtown, So sorry... 😔

17:38:59 From  Robert Levering  to  Everyone : Thanks, Heather. Quite inspiring how you connected so many issues and time periods.

17:39:13 From  Bill Shugarts  to  All panelists : Refreshing to see the work being done on many fronts since the Vietnam War movement.  Bill Shugarts, Vietnam Veteran (1969-1970), 23rd Infantry Division-Americal, Wall Volunteer at NPS, Missionary back in Vietnam via Veterans delegations as recently as 2015.

17:39:15 From  Martin Tandler  to  All panelists : Hi Jim. Marty Tandler

17:39:30 From  Glenn Silber  to  All panelists : Hi back at ya!

17:39:37 From  Martin Tandler  to  Everyone : Hi Jim

17:39:44 From  Martin Tandler  to  Everyone : BEST MARTY

17:39:55 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  Bette Bono and all panelists : Great to have you on board Bette and Alex!

17:40:05 From  Stu Levitan  to  Everyone : Hi, Marty

17:40:20 From  Martin Tandler  to  Everyone : Hi Stu

17:40:28 From  Michael Kaufman  to  All panelists : participants list is not visible.  can you show it?

17:40:46 From  Steve Ladd  to  Everyone : The Boys Who Said NO! film - https://www.boyswhosaidno.com/

17:41:19 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : The Boys Who Said No is worth seeing.

17:41:20 From  Steve Ladd  to  Everyone : The Movement and the “Madman” film  in production - https://www.movementandthemadman.com/

17:41:28 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Gerry: Also folk in Hartford, where there’s a big P&W plant. Here’s MA group: https://masspeaceaction.org

17:42:12 From  Tom Weiner  to  All panelists : Trailer for “THE DRAFT” - https://vimeo.com/170743538

17:42:42 From  gershon mitchel  to  Everyone :  From gershon Mitchel in pgh. shout out to david hughes

17:43:08 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Thank you Heather for talking about how talking to the National Guard. In Chicago summer of 1968 I walked the lines of National Guard with folksinger  Phil Ochs. One guard said to Phil : I spent $10 on two tickets to your concerts. Phil stopped and had a long talk with him; at the end he lowered his rifle and instead they shook hands. I wonder - would that be possible today?

17:43:16 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : The strongest movements combine our values and self-interests.  Peace and Land!  End the War and No Draft.

17:43:17 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : Sir! No Sir! another potent film on GI resistance to the war... (Oh, John just mentioned it)

17:43:21 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : gershon?

17:44:26 From  Susie Erenrich  to  Everyone : The Cost Of Freedom: Voicing A Movement After Kent State 1970 is now 35% off at Kent State University Press.  First hand accounts from the May 4th Movement.

17:45:14 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Judy Gumbo: I drove Phil Ochs from the Lyndon Unbirthday Party on August 27,1968 back to his hotel after he performed I Ain’t Marching Any More, etc

17:45:15 From  gershon mitchel  to  Everyone : from gershon Mitchel----we're forever running into each other at this & that march.

17:46:02 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : I thought it was you but don't recognize gershon

17:46:16 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : NICE PHIL OCHS F-BOOK GROUP, WITH HIS SISTER SONNY. (SORRY FOR ALL CAPS..)

17:46:29 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : You are doing a great job keeping everyone on schedule.  We are RIGHT on time!

17:46:45 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : Participants is hidden.

17:46:51 From  Craig Stevens  to  Everyone : Shout-out to Brewster Rhoads and everyone else I met and had a chance to work with in the effort to end the funding of the war. And shout-out to the SDS that introduced me to a deep, anti-imperialist and anti-racist critique and challenge to U.S. global power in the short period I was a part of SDS before it splintered into all the movements we’ve been a part of.

17:47:15 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Hi Stephen - I remember that event. Did you and I ever meet?

17:47:20 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Heather Booth: 226 now watching

17:47:33 From  Eve Levenson (she/her), MFOL  to  Everyone : The inability to see the participant list is likely a feature of this being a zoom webinar!

17:47:49 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  Craig Stevens and all panelists : Wow Craig... wonderful to reconnect with you - brewohio@gmail.com

17:48:01 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : In organizing--Action creates a Reaction.  We need the action that makes a demand!

17:48:10 From  Jess Pierce (She/Her), PxP Strategies  to  Everyone : Program: John McAuliff, Coordinator, Vietnam Peace Commemoration Committee:

Glenn Silber, co-Producer/Director, The War at Home;

Heather Booth; President, The Midwest Academy; Former Director of Progressive & Senior Outreach, Biden for President 

Eve Levenson, Policy & Government Affairs Manager, March for Our Lives, 

Jessica Pierce, Political Strategist Piece by Piece Strategies, co-founder of Black Youth Project 100

17:48:16 From  Michael Kaufman  to  All panelists : we don't have a participants button to click on

17:48:37 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : SDS, and the Civil Rights MOVEMENT, were the Mother Ship!

17:49:17 From  Curt Doty  to  Everyone : For the detail page…https://vnpeacecomm.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-war-at-home-zoom-discussion.html

17:49:32 From  Laurie Sandow  to  All panelists : John: Re: video/shared screen sound, this note in Chat from Walter Hill: (5:30 PM)—When you share screen on Zoom, you sometimes have to click on the sound option.

17:49:37 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Each movement learns from and helps build the other.  And then we can all come together

17:49:51 From  Jim Cooney  to  Everyone : I’m Jim Cooney, former Exec Dir of the Notre Dame Alumni Ass’n starting in 1968!  The rock that was tossed into the pond in Madison send waves through

17:49:55 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Judy: You and I were at the event in May 2015I may have met you there.

17:51:34 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Building Solidarity movements globally are important as well. We marched in support of March for our Lives here in Canada as well.

17:51:47 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : Susan Saxe and Kathy Power (Brandeis classmates) spent many years in jail because of their taking their activism to a violent extreme (bank robbery and policeman shot).

17:51:48 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Thank you!

17:51:51 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  Jeff Malachowsky and all panelists : Hi Jeff... great to have you on board!

17:52:01 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Heather, What do you make of the Austin nomination? What real influence do folk like you really have on Biden-Harris administration? (I was born in Wilmington, Delaware. Not a big fan of “Joe.”)

17:52:23 From  Jeff Malachowsky  to  Everyone : Brewster!  So proud to see you get well-deserved SHOUT OUTS!!

17:52:47 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : That event in May 2015 in Washington DC was great at the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church and the Martin Luther King Memorial.

17:53:01 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : It is up to US to build the POWER to influence the outcomes. That means people power, votes, money power, -- we need to ORGANIZE as well as make demands.

17:53:14 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Yep.

17:53:17 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Eve and Jessica are so smart

17:53:41 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : Amen, Jessica!

17:53:55 From  Nancy Kaufman  to  Everyone : Amen! We are in good hands with the next generation that we have mentored!

17:54:21 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Nancy Kaufman!  a great leader and movement partner

17:54:26 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Yes Heather. It is wonderful to see young politically active people today like Eve and Jessica.

17:54:45 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Heather: What demands are you making, then, of Biden-Harris?

17:54:57 From  John Bancroft  to  Everyone : March for Our Lives was the best ever for the speed at which it was organized (less than a month after the Parkland massacre) and that it was organized almost exclusively by high school students.  We learned from you!

17:55:26 From  Ronald Mendel  to  All panelists : Jess,  your perspective on strategy and tactics is  refreshing  to hear. 

17:55:47 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : We have a lot to learn from GenZ’!

17:55:51 From  Terry/Theron Provance  to  Everyone : Copies of the VPCC poster with King and Spock are available.  Please contact: terryprovance@gmail.com (VPCC staff)

17:56:42 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : Yes, structural change is imperatives

17:56:45 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : ☮️☮️☮️

17:56:50 From  Susanne Jackson  to  Everyone : Definitely Jessica and Eve are amazing and so thankful they are organizing and carrying justice and equity forward. Thankful for Heather, Glenn and all participating.

17:56:53 From  Jess Pierce (She/Her), PxP Strategies  to  Everyone : Thank you Ronald!

17:57:04 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Yes, but “win” what, exactly??

17:57:41 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : And gain political power by engaging more youth in politics like AOC

17:57:59 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Midwest Academy's 3 principles: 1) win real victories to improve people's lives, 2) give people a sense of their own power, 3) change the relationship of power.   www.midwestacademy.com

17:58:12 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Peace and Justice for All!

Speaking of tactics, how effective do you think the weather underground bombing campaign was in ending the war?

17:58:42 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Absolutely need to engage more young people!  AOC certainly inspires many.

17:58:52 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : WELCOME PAUL SOGLIN!

Is there an historian in the house able to create teaching material—study guides, etc.—to accompany the movie?

17:59:05 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : WELCOME KARL ARMSTRONG!

17:59:21 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Love her fearlessness to speak truth to power

17:59:49 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Some organization everyone wants to be “part of...”

17:59:49 From  Bette Bono  to  Everyone : Jeff Malachowsky, nice to "see" you here. 

18:00:11 From  karl Armstrong  to  All panelists : Thanks for the invite and the very eloquent panelists.

18:00:31 From  Tony Del Plato  to  All panelists : Glenn. Great point. Too many of us didn't move into positions of power

18:01:05 From  Jeff Malachowsky  to  Everyone : And, YOU!  And HELLO to Alex!!  Reminding me of Jorgen Dragsdahl…

18:01:08 From  gershon mitchel  to  Everyone : .from gershon, is an undergirding organizing principle that ties movements together, so common threat?

18:01:53 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Karl: I need a cab! 😜 Any golf in this weather?? 🤩

18:02:40 From  Ronald Mendel  to  All panelists : The anti-war movement in the 60s and 70s featured a  tension between strategic and expressive politics,   which perhaps accounts for its failure to think about power as a goal. 

18:02:57 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : The important points are now being made: gaining power.  1) If Heather is right that we didn't do enough to reach out the those who were in the National Guard, we have to ask about our tactics because many people like it or not are absolutely turned off by direct action/confrontation.  I ran for local office (and won) because I was inspired by Paul Soglin and Julian Bond.  To me it is always about gaining power and that means political power.  Not only did some activists in the 60s have a disdain for "power" but Occupy did the same.

18:04:18 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Violence begets violence. PERIOD. Real accountability essential.

18:04:41 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : A powerful film Glenn, I used it with great effect in my class on Social Movements and Legacies of the Sixties.  Among the tough issues it raises is the forces that lead to militancy and violence, as well as the impact those have.  In my view antiwar militancy both helped to bring the war to an end but also provided the forces of backlash with persuasive images they used to great effect.

18:05:31 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Thank you, Paul!

18:05:53 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : The INSTUTUTIONS are DESIGNED to hold us back, and keep us down.

18:05:55 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : from Art Eckstein:  the Weather Underground didn’t ruin a lot of people’s lives as John said. If only because no-one went to prison because charges were dismissed because of FBI malfeasance. Nor did Weatherman destroy the anti-war movement. Government oppression did that job.

18:06:43 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : iT has inspired me for years. Sorry.

18:08:09 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : Agree Paul.  And class organizing is a crucial element of that!

18:08:18 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : How do you build a political movement that gets to the heart of the moral outrage of war and get politicians onside. Nearly a trillion dollar budget just passed in congress shows that no-one there is morally outraged enough to stop this madness.

18:08:22 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : I cannot fight cops, but we need people who can. I was never involved in any BPP shoot-ins with police, but I have enormous respect for those who found themselves in situations where they needed to.

18:08:25 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Agree.

18:09:28 From  Ann Gordon  to  Everyone : Paul Soglin has never been merely a symbol!  --Ann Gordon here, now in NJ

18:09:40 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : >military budget

18:09:54 From  Curt Doty  to  Everyone : We need to know Karl’s part in history.

18:10:24 From  Mary Beth Marklein  to  All panelists : ... and how Karl views his contribution to history today

18:11:00 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : You should ask  him this question from the Q&A : James Wilberforce 06:09 PM 

Karl: So you agree it was a mistake?

18:11:29 From  Jim Barton  to  Everyone : Karl- Have you ever been in conversation with Mark Rudd?

18:12:36 From  Paul Soglin  to  All panelists : Hi Ann G.!!!!

18:13:35 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : THANK YOU TO THE VETS WHO STOOD UP AGAINST THE WAR!

18:13:47 From  Dan Petegorsky  to  Everyone : Yes - VVAW was also tremendously inspiring for the rest of us in the movement. 

18:14:01 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : Hear Hear!

18:14:33 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Doug left out the arrest and trial of the Gainesville 8; 7 VVAW members and one "citizen" charged with crossing state lines to incite to riot at the GOP convention in '72.

18:14:42 From  Bill Shugarts  to  All panelists : Doug is correct! I tell folks when I work at the Wall when asked about the "Anti-War protesters" impact.  My answer is simple:  "there would be another 20,000+ names on this Wall had they not protest".  The 58,279 names and their backgrounds are now available to see.  Most middle and lower class kids like I was.  Bill Shugarts, Vietnam Veteran, Wall Docent

18:14:54 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Nonsense. Sorry.

18:14:56 From  karl Armstrong  to  All panelists : VVAW was huge for resistance to the war.

18:15:19 From  Howard Dratch  to  Everyone : Thank you for pointing out the effort to distort the history of the anti-war movement exemplified by the myth that returning GIs were spit upon. Completely untrue!

18:15:22 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  All panelists : Question for Glenn: Anonymous Attendee 06:14 PM 

Question for Glenn: in the film, the person who died in Army Math isn’t given a name. Let alone a backstory. His name was Robert Fassnacht. He had a wife and 3 children. Why is he omitted. The tragedy would have been deepened if he had been presented as a real person. Why did you not include him?

18:15:26 From  Katherine Power  to  All panelists : Important comment that Dave Dellinger mad when he visited me in prison. He held himself and other non-violent activists somewhat responsible for the turn to violence because they did not provide militant, radical, non-violent alternatives to the more mainstream vote-lobby-march politely strategy. He said that in Washington, after the invasion of Cambodia, there were hundreds, including members of Congress, who were willing to sit down in the street and shut down Washington. But they were outmaneuvered by the leaders who favored less militant tactics.

18:16:41 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : Question for Karl: Stephen Spitz 06:15 PM 

Karl: Do you think the Weather Underground helped or hurt the antiwar movement?

18:16:42 From  Robert Levering  to  Everyone : People forget that by opposing the VN war, we were up against the most powerful gov't in the world. And that we were very successful. Our mov't was a major factor in ending the war. Nixon/Kissinger/Ford were unable to keep up the bombing because of the antiwar movement. Without us the war could have continued for many more years, like what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

18:16:57 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : I am remembering the Presidio 27 action in San Francisco, California by active military members. Anyone on here that took part in it?

18:17:08 From  Margot Williams  to  Everyone : More of the story of women in the antiwar movements should be told. Not in leadership, but the rest of us. Glad to see Jessica and Eve speaking.

18:17:16 From  gershon mitchel  to  Everyone : from gershon, question, is there any dignity to war.  Does dignity as a concept matter in this discussion

18:19:33 From  Kristin Cabral  to  Everyone : Part of today’s war on home is the student debt crisis, and Trump’s “draft” was his HHS advisor wanting to intentionally infect youth with COVID

18:19:49 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : One 'lesson' of the antiwar movement very relevant to today is that the US is still an imperial power with a horrific foreign policy.  As we coalesce around social and racial justice, climate change, and all the other important causes, we must not forget US foreign policy.

18:19:56 From  Curt Doty  to  Everyone : Arte! You are awesome!

18:20:03 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : Thank you, Artemisio--Yes, we need to organize!

18:20:23 From  gershon mitchel  to  Everyone : from gershon, re cultural space, way of living--does dignity have any role?

18:20:38 From  Heather Booth  to  Everyone : David Cortright has been a true hero for peace and justice

18:20:54 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Show people the possibilities of what could be...inspire…engage.

18:21:16 From  Tom Weiner  to  All panelists : I appreciate Artemisio’s passion and sense of urgency, which has to become what informs the new administration or we are in dire straits…

18:22:33 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  Everyone : Artemisio..Your powerful and insightful comments give me SO much hope that the future of our movement for social, racial and environmental justice is in good hands.  Thanks for all you do!

18:22:36 From  Bill Galvin  to  Everyone : And April 4 is also the date of the Kingsbay Plowshares action---and those folks are in jail now.

18:22:49 From  Ronald Mendel  to  All panelists : MLK's speech is/was a powerful indictment of US Imperial Power. 

18:23:47 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Good question Karl!

18:23:49 From  PAUL ROGERS  to  Everyone : Best book on the GI resistance:  Soldiers in Revolt, by our very own David Cortright!

18:24:33 From  Tom Weiner  to  All panelists : Soldiers in Revolt should be required reading by anyone studying the war.  It remains a much too neglected story that had seismic impact.

18:25:10 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : The need to get votes to get elected brings you into contact with people you don’t ordinarily speak with...

18:27:30 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : For good reason... Resentment. The demagogues turn it on others...

18:27:45 From  Stu Levitan  to  Everyone : Chuck Berry

18:28:00 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Thank you!! Stu!!

18:28:02 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : Today is very different than during the VN war in terms of organizing: for one, the media is totally complicit so the America people know practically nothing about what the US is doing around the world and two, there is no draft. Given that and other factors, for example, many people thinking Biden is good after the Trump experience. How can a popular movement strong enough to change US foreign policy be built?

18:28:27 From  Stephen Spitz  to  Everyone : Paul: I have spent many a day on Highway 67 in Mississippi as a Civil Rights lawyer.

18:28:34 From  Bill Shugarts  to  All panelists : Amen!!

18:29:55 From  Bill Galvin  to  Everyone : Acyually, there is draft registration for men---and sometime in the next year or 2 it will probably be expanded to include women unless we mobilize resistance.

18:30:19 From  David Parker  to  Everyone : Yes Jess!  Organize the people who don’t vote.  Check out Wm Barber’s Poor Peoples Campaign.

18:30:28 From  peter anderson  to  All panelists : There would seem to be an internal contradiction between the sense of morality that motivates our movement and the flip side, sanctimony, that turns off the very people we need to bring over to our side to have enough votes to win sustainably.

18:30:40 From  Louise Foresman  to  All panelists : NPR just did a report on who the people are who didn't vote in the 2020 general election. A majority were under the age of 30 and were Latinx...

18:31:09 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Love everything you’re saying Jessica!

18:31:42 From  Artemisio Romero Carver  to  Everyone : +++++

18:33:05 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Yes, it was a very proud moment for Madison!

18:33:14 From  Robert Levering  to  All panelists : Amen Jessica about the contrast between the debate about Covid-19 bill and the non-debate about the war budget

18:33:41 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Hizzoner!  Right again!

18:34:34 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Police protect property, NOT people. Arguably, ACAB.

18:34:37 From  Chic Canfora  to  All panelists : We did the same thing at Kent State, Paul, after the invasion of Cambodia. Our targets in downtown were the army recruitment office windows, AT&T, the Liquid Crystals Institute where they worked on napalm—but when opportunists broke windows of local shopowners—we owned it and helped them board up and replace their windows. It supports the values argument you made.

18:34:55 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Shout out to former  Madison Police Chief David Couper!

18:35:17 From  Mary Beth Marklein  to  Everyone : It is breaking my heart to see businesses shutting down on State Street. 

18:35:35 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : There must be a price paid for unchecked, unaccountable police murder.

18:35:49 From  Page Delano  to  Everyone : The New Yorker article on Dan Barkhuff https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-veterans-organizing-to-stop-trumpism is an interesting pro-Constitution veterans group…   who is organizing Iraqi/Afghan/Somali etc etc vets — ?  in a time of terrible US militarism beyond the US…?  what resistance can you envision in the US military beyond slipping away from Trum support…?

18:36:27 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : Steve Spitz: It was a combination of civil rights history and blues history.  Confederate monuments, slave and share croppers, inadequate recognition of the blues artists and the civil rights movement.  

18:37:42 From  Judy Danielson  to  Everyone : As a start, we must take the ability to declare wars (AUMF-2001-2002) away from the President, require Congress to debate and declare.

18:38:13 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Many different threads here... Where are the best “fora” for these discussions? F-book all there is? Jacobin? Counterpunch? Common Dreams? Talk-talk-tak, but no discussion.

18:38:38 From  Mary Beth Marklein  to  Everyone : yes, agree

18:39:44 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : I’d like to hear more from Karl Armstrong about what HE thinks would have happened if no one had been killed.

18:39:45 From  Eve Levenson (she/her), MFOL  to  Everyone : To follow up on Jess’s points for folks who are interested in learning more about the stats about how young people votes in the 2020 election and how young people — patricianly young BIPOC — were the deciding factor in many swing states that ensured Trump’s failures: https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/election-week-2020#youth-voter-turnout-increased-in-2020

18:40:15 From  Laurie Sandow  to  All panelists : Some VVAW photos from Dewey Canyon III: http://www.vvaw.org/gallery/1970s.php

18:40:49 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Judy, Please ask your question in the Q and A.  It relates to some others there.

18:41:11 From  Robert Van Meter  to  Everyone : I remember the SDS slogan and button to Stop the Seventh War from Now.   That's where we are today.

18:41:27 From  Martha Winnacker  to  All panelists : Agree with Judy that AUMFs must be repealed - and Congress engage in open discussion to raise awareness of their significance.

18:41:34 From  Laurie Sandow  to  Everyone : Some VVAW photos from Dewey Canyon III: http://www.vvaw.org/gallery/1970s.php

18:41:52 From  Laurie Sandow  to  Everyone : And a short article: http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=1656

18:42:01 From  Kathryn Shagas  to  Everyone : I would also like to hear what Karl thinks about what would have happened if no-one was killed.

18:42:12 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Agree!

18:42:17 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Question asked in Q &A. Thanks for the suggestion.

18:42:22 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : John makes a very important point about how the government learned from the Vietnam to exercise their warmaking policy in different ways, with greater media control.  So the antiwar movement got greater and more aggressive over time, whereas with Iraq the largest antiwar protest preceded the war, and afterwards got smaller and smaller so that now public perception of US war making policy seems invisible.

18:43:17 From  Peter Werbe  to  Everyone : For what it's worth: The Fifth Estate, a Detroit underground newspaper, that began in 1965 and still publishes today, during the Vietnam war called for victory for the NLF, mutiny in the armed forces, and general strike at home to end the conflict. We sent hundreds of papers each week to GIs in Vietnam with the call for victory for who they were fighting and still received an overwhelmingly positive response from them. Some of our articles can be accessed at https://www.fifthestate.org/archive/.

18:44:13 From  PAUL ROGERS  to  Everyone : WOW.  Jess is wise beyond her years.

18:44:18 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : peter, were you there then?

18:44:47 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : <3 <3 <3

18:45:58 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Twitter makes it all ephemeral...

18:46:10 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : The fundamental problem we face is the economic system itself and the hope that the democrats will make things better. Until enough people make the leap from the lesser evil approach to voting the status quo will be maintained!!!

18:46:49 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : I can’t get the damn bus stop cleared!

18:46:53 From  Judy Danielson  to  Everyone : We can

18:47:34 From  Judy Danielson  to  Everyone : t wait for the right government, we have to move the ‘governors’.

18:47:36 From  Peter Werbe  to  Everyone : Also, have we come to our demand being "Please, sir, don't kill everything so fast?" We used to call for socialism (not the social democracy of DSA, communism, or anarchism. I think we wanted a revolution, not reforms. Today, that seems like an impossible position which means the triumph of capital. We ultimately can only operate on their terms for reforms, needed ones to be sure. But what happened to the utopian visions of the elders? Now, it's Biden? Yes, he and the Democrats will kill everything a little slower, so good he got in. But, we need a vision of new world to fight for.

18:47:59 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Admin: why do my posts show as Me instead of my name (Gary Gordon)?  Happened during the Chicago 8 webinar too.

18:48:08 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : Kudos, Jess & Eve!

18:48:19 From  Peter Werbe  to  Everyone : To James W. Yes, I was there. Still am. haha.

18:48:36 From  Jess Pierce (She/Her), PxP Strategies  to  Everyone : Gary we see your name. :)

18:48:42 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : They show as Gary Gordon to the rest of us, Gary.

18:48:45 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : Gary, shows your name to others and "me" to you

18:49:11 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Laurie-Frost, Jess, David; thank you!!!

18:49:12 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Peter, Excellent news!

18:49:58 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Hair got longer! Hell, yeah! Now we’re talking!

18:50:06 From  Judy Danielson  to  Everyone : Vote for brown and black people, they know about climate/health/economic/food/housing injustice because they live it.

18:50:08 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : We have failed to truly bring movements together powerfully --then and now.  What do speakers think of the idea of organizing a progressive/coalition political party that, for now, doesn't run candidates for office (given the stacked 2-party system), but develops a a common platform and analysis of the changes that must occur. While not running candidates for. a while, they could endorse progressive candidates

18:50:52 From  Esty Dinur  to  All panelists : & kudos Arte!

18:51:06 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : ted, good notion

18:51:23 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Artemisio: right on!  Excellent!

18:52:05 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  John McAuliff(Direct Message) : I  have several questions for Karl

18:52:09 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Judy: Corruption has no color, unless it’s “green..”

18:52:12 From  Katherine Power  to  All panelists : What these young people so clearly understand is the organic nature of what needs to be done, what they are doing. A movement of movements is good description.

18:52:26 From  Heather Booth  to  All panelists : 9 minutes left in the program.

18:52:28 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : Arte:  Yes, meet people where they are at. Find out their basic values and needs.

18:52:39 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : I am a literacy activist.  Literacy is also a racial justice issue.  Don’t know about your community, but in Madison, only 10-15% of Black and Brown students are reading proficiently.  And it’s been that way for decades.  Unconscionable.

18:52:41 From  David Hughes  to  Everyone : It is already there, it is called the Green Party!!!

18:53:13 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  All panelists : We need to hear from Karl.  I have several questions for him

18:53:37 From  Heather Booth  to  All panelists : Yes, let's hear from Karl and final comments.

18:53:48 From  Eve Levenson (she/her), MFOL  to  All panelists : ^

18:54:23 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Glenn, Thanks for wearing the hat.  U-rah-rah!

18:55:25 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Could we hear a little something from Karl? His thoughts about all this? Where is he at today?

18:55:39 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : Excellent point, Heather.

18:55:56 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Climate change and pandemics are like Trumps if we don’t watch out and coordinate collectively.

18:55:57 From  Esty Dinur  to  Everyone : The young ones are smarter than us. They don't seem to be arguing and being holier than thou the way our generation has been. I say learn from them.

18:56:01 From  Milt Mankoff  to  Everyone : Better messaging is critical, which includes taking "patriotism" away from the right.

18:56:15 From  Martha & Bob Spanninger & Mueller  to  Everyone : Heather you are amazing.

18:56:21 From  Katherine Power  to  Everyone : Important comment that Dave Dellinger made when he visited me in prison. He held himself and other non-violent activists somewhat responsible for the turn to violence because they did not provide militant, radical, non-violent alternatives to the more mainstream vote-lobby-march politely strategy. He said that in Washington, after the invasion of Cambodia, there were hundreds, including members of Congress, who were willing to sit down in the street and shut down Washington. But they were outmaneuvered by the leaders who favored less militant tactics.

18:56:34 From  Kristin Cabral  to  Everyone : Unify around food on the table, roof over your heads, clothes on your backs ... and healthcare (not warfare) and curing the climate are connected to those basics

18:57:02 From  Brewster Rhoads  to  All panelists : Thank you Heather.

18:57:32 From  PAUL ROGERS  to  Everyone : Jess,

18:58:13 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : Well put, Karl

18:58:24 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : The Politics of Resentment by Kathy Cramer, Ph.D.

18:58:31 From  PAUL ROGERS  to  Everyone : Jess, Artemiso, Eve:  You lift an old movement guys heart.

18:58:36 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : I have nothing more to say - Karl said it.

18:58:44 From  Heather Booth  to  All panelists : GA and AZ found ways to do that organizing and built a majority. With motivating our base and deep organizing.

18:58:46 From  Katherine Power  to  Everyone : What these young people so clearly understand is the organic nature of what needs to be done, what they are doing. A movement of movements is good description.

18:58:49 From  Kathryn Shagas  to  Everyone : Agree with Karl.

18:58:52 From  Jess Pierce (She/Her), PxP Strategies  to  Everyone : I want to be clear about something though—there wasn’t just one thing——the movement fuels the power that we can leverage to win. Civil rights work in 1964 seeded the passing of the civil rights act, but all the fair housing act, the voting rights act, the high speed ground transit act——we won on multiple issues, saw change on multiple issues.

18:58:52 From  Gary Gordon  to  Everyone : Paul talked about going into the taverns and workplaces and talking to people who disagree, and this  is the deep organizing Heather spoke about earlier.

18:58:53 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Was at your hearing in Boston, Kathy. Hope you’re well.

18:58:56 From  Ted Morgan  to  Everyone : See also Alrie Hochschild's "Strangers in their Own Land"

18:59:06 From  Judy Gumbo  to  Everyone : Thank you Karl!

18:59:06 From  Kathryn Shagas  to  Everyone : Laurie, are you connected to the Campaign for Grade-Level Reading? I do their graphics.

18:59:21 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : Yes Ted!!!!

18:59:22 From  Milt Mankoff  to  Everyone : Karl is absolutely right.

18:59:40 From  Laurie Frost  to  Everyone : No.  Never heard of them.  I will look them up.  Thanks!

18:59:56 From  Kathryn Shagas  to  Everyone : http://gradelevelreading.net/

19:00:31 From  Kristin Cabral  to  Everyone : When I ran for Congress as a Dem in Virginia in 2012, I accepted an invitation to speak to a Tea Party group (who hated my Establishment GOP incumbent opponent).  It was revealing.  Very interesting.

19:01:19 From  Tena Karpatkin  to  All panelists : <3

19:01:42 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Kathy: “Don’t follow leaders, watch your parking meters..” Go to see you here. I’m in cambridge

19:02:07 From  Mandy Carter  to  Everyone : Thanks so much!! A great webinar!!

19:02:16 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : “Good” to see you here, that is...

19:02:24 From  Sam Coleman  to  All panelists : THANK YOU PANELISTS!

19:02:42 From  Heather Booth  to  All panelists : Wonderful participants.  Great to be your movement partners.  The struggle continues!!

19:02:45 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : Don't mourn, Organize

19:02:50 From  Laramie Silber  to  Everyone : Thank you all for your time and contributions!

19:02:56 From  Chic Canfora  to  All panelists : Thank you for elevating an important conversation.

19:02:58 From  Norman Stockwell  to  Everyone : Thanks everyone for a great program.

19:03:17 From  Louise Foresman  to  Everyone : Mourn, and THEN organize.

19:03:40 From  Heather Booth  to  All panelists : I have to leave for a 7 PM ET event.  THANK YOU!!!

19:03:44 From  James Wilberforce  to  Everyone : Thanbks, Karl... And thanks, all... Happy Christmas and Holiday (Solstice) Season... We will survive for another turn of the sun.

19:03:59 From  Kristin Cabral  to  Everyone : You young women ROCK!  GRATITUDE to you.

19:04:05 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : YES!  One more film recommendation; Heather Booth: Changing the World

19:04:31 From  Martha & Bob Spanninger & Mueller  to  Everyone : Include the Q&A and the Chat in what you make available.

19:04:33 From  Dean Prina  to  All panelists : Greetings from Colorado. Best zoom I have seen in a long time. As a 1975 Stanford graduate, I applaud you all! I was one week from being drafted to Vietnam. I was an activist then and I still am now!

19:05:23 From  Stephanie Hysmith  to  All panelists : Thank you all. So pleased that Eve. Jess and Arte will pick up the torches.

19:05:54 From  Marla&Kasha Slavner  to  Everyone : Will you send the chat? Lots of great info and references to resources here.

19:06:09 From  Paul Soglin  to  Everyone : Karl is right about the threat of Fascism but we do have Eve, Jess and Arte

19:06:13 From  Edwina Vogan  to  All panelists : Thanks John and all for a very good discussion.


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# Question Asker Name Answer(s)

1 Where can we access of the film The War at Home? Tony Del Plato Its available to stream on many platforms including YouTube and Amazon Prime.  You can also find more information here: www.thewarathome.tv

2 thnaks Tony Del Plato

3 does the film identify the speakers, as the trailer does not Claire Gorfinkel yes the film lists the names of the speakers that are spotlighted as they are speaking.

4 We have found our place working with the Friends Committee on National Legislation Advocacy Teams in most states that are working on repealing the 2001-2 Authorizations for the Use of Military Force, that transferred war making from Congrerss to the President.  Judy and Eric Judy Danielson

5 John, don't have a video or mic function button??? David Hughes Given the size of our group today we’re in a webinar not meeting in zoom which limits the video/audio to speakers.  But happy to answer any questions or share any reflections that you type here.

6 Hi John, I see that this webinar is being recorded-thanks!  Is the Chat getting saved too? If not is there a way to do so?  Mandy Carter Mandy Carter Hi Mandy! Chat’s are not usually saved in recordings. The best way to save it is for you to take a screenshot!

7 Hi Eve, ok thanks. Mandy Carter

8 Does the worker ownership/mgmt & coop movements have a place in this discussion? Tony Del Plato

9 Refreshing to see the work being done on many fronts since the Vietnam War movement.  Reminds me of my college days pre-Vietnam service.  Plus, my daughter is a UW-Madison graduate who lives there sicne her graduation in 1993.  Her kids, my granddaughters are being raised in a social justice atmosphere. Bill Shugarts

10 You’re all the perfect people to ask: how do we unite the anti-war/peace movement and civil rights as in BLM? Sam Coleman

11 OK, but a list of participants? David Hughes

12 Jess, Check chat as you can, for what you may miss here. James Wilberforce absolutely—let me know if there’s something important that you need me to follow-up on

13 HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS? James Wilberforce 226 now watching

14 Is there an historian in the house able to create teaching material—study guides, etc.—to accompany the movie? Sam Coleman

15 Refreshing to see the work being done on many fronts since the Vietnam War movement.  Bill Shugarts, Vietnam Veteran (1969-1970), 23rd Infantry Division-Americal, Wall Volunteer at NPS, Missionary back in Vietnam via Veterans delegations as recently as 2015. Bill Shugarts

16 Speaking of tactics, how effective do you think the weather underground bombing campaign was in ending the war? Bob Zellner It was effective in frightening off interest in participating. And reflected the frustration of people who did not see the strategy for winning.

17 Dont forget most of us who were in the streets COULD NOT VOTE! Betsy Cunningham Yes, that’s a very good point and one of the many reasons that it’s so important that we view voitng as just ONE of MANY tacits.

18 It was obvious in the SDS of 1964-68 that women were expected to work the back office and logistics while mostly white men did the speaking and leading. Yet the most enduring changes related to the political explosions of the ’60’s have been not the end of war but the successes of the woman’s movement, the black movement, and even the gay movement in securing greater equality — all extensions of democratic rights within our capitalist society. But a great mass of Americans have been alienated by these social changes while the economy that rules them has become more dangerous to the continued existence of the planet. For the panel and the audience, how do we cross this cultural divide — systematically constructed by the forces of reaction. Martha & Bob Spanninger & Mueller We need to win improvements in people's lives.  They need to see that government can work in their/our interests. This will also mean building the institutions that help train people in democracy--especially including unions.

19 re Weather Underground - yes, dubious methods at the end. But don't forget the effects of COINTELPRO Terry Murray Yes, Cointelpro helped to undermine the movement.The disinformation campaigns of today pose a somewhat similar threat.  AND we should not feed those movements.

20 It’s going to take understanding the white working class, too, getting beyond stereotypes. Sam Coleman Absolutely.  Urban and Rural.

21 But for the Pandemic, pathetically, Trump would have been re-elected Harry Salzberg

22 I can recommend some pithy reading… Sam Coleman

23 Who are you Karl? Tony Del Plato

24 Karl: So you agree it was a mistake? James Wilberforce I think it was obviously a mistake because of the death of Robert Fassnacht and the others who were injured. I have different view of the bombing if our objective had been met, the destruction of AMRC without harm to people.

25 Karl, were you connected in those days to my Brandeis colleagues Kathy Power and Sue Saxe who also made a terrible decision when they took direct action to rob a bank to buy arms for the anti-war cause and a policmen was shot and killed. They spent many years on the run and in prison but it was so tragic that theirannti-war zeal led to that and put us al on campus in a tough place. Nancy Kaufman

26 Jim Barton: Karl- Have you ever been in conversation with Mark Rudd? James Wilberforce No.

27 Since we are not just reminising, but asking questions about today’s world…stepping back…1966-197x the focus was opposing aggressive war with 100 thousands of mainly draftees in a war they did want to be there. So we demonstrated. Leafleted guys getting drafted. We did counter-orientations on campuses. Created alternative media, food coops, etc. Set up GI-coffeehouses. …Today, there are ~50 million people who support Trump uncritically and fascism is a real question. Many of the ~50 million are in rural communities, alot in the Midwest, who support a WallStreet ‘millionaire’! and who are angry with some badly/poorly/incorrectly defined “establishment”. They have lost their hospitals, their post offices, their libraries, their schools, and are are striking out at the wrong enemy. Please read The Politics of Resentment (Rural Consciousness in Wisconsiun and Rise of Scott Walker) by Katherine Cramer. Do we need a “Wisconsin Summer” ? John Fournelle We need many kinds of activities.  AND we need to have deep organizing to build relationships and engage with people -- to change minds and build motivation.

28 Question for Glenn: in rhe film, the person who died in Army Math isn’t given a name. Let alone a backstory. His name was Robert Fassnacht. He had a wife and 3 chldren. Why is he omitted. The trajedy would have been deepend if he had been presented as a real person. Why did you not include him? Anonymous Attendee

29 Karl: Do you think the Weather Underground helped or hurt the antiwar movement? Stephen Spitz I have mixed feelings about the Weather Underground.

30 Doug is correct! I tell folks when I work at the Wall when asked aobut the "Anti-War protesters" impact.  My answer is simple:  "there would be another 20,000+ names on this Wall had they not protest".  The 58,279 names and their backgrounds are now available to see.  Most middle and lower class kids like I was.  Bill Shugarts, Vietnam Veteran, Wall Docent Bill Shugarts Well said.  Thank you.

31 Karl, what would you say to us who are overwhelmed and absolutey discouraged about change via elections? Doug Gerash

32 Karl: Given the discussion here (inevitably truncated), what were you trying to achieve? James Wilberforce

33 "Of Karl
You were young, determined to end the war and acutely aware of the gruesome work being done at AMRC. Why was your action wrong? Is destruction of property ever justified?" Sarah O'Brien

34 Question for Karl Armstrong… War at Home brilliantly defines the power of the people who refuse to stand down in the face of their government’s illegal actions. However, as Gen. Butler said, War is A Racket and the people running the racket have learned  from the Vietnam movement and have re-organized and gotten very good at waging war and keeping it out of the main stream. Proof - Afghanistan War now the longest in US history and Brown University just published a study, Costs of War, documenting US Middle East wars led to deaths of over 3 million Muslims, majority of them women and kids with another 37 million displaced. Question, how do kickstart a grass roots movement to educate enough people to start another Vietnam movement… Frank Battaglia

35 With your great footage, Glenn, did you see the mime troop that was at the Dow demo?  What is role of the arts in protest and movements? Tom and Peggy Adams

36 Today  is very different than during the VN war in terms of organizing: for one, the media is totally complicit so the America people know practically nothing about what the US is doing around the world and two, there is no draft. Given that and other factors, for example, many people thinking Biden is good after the Trump experience. How can a popular movement strong enough to change US foreign policy be built? David Hughes

37 Question: the religious right is at a huge advantage in that they have large numbers of people who are used to do what they're told and who have been taught not to use critical thinking. To a large degree, the Left is made up of people who don't obey decrees and orders, don't necessarily want to follow, and all too often are very attached to a set of beliefs that doesn't allow for others to be right too. Any thoughts on how to transcend these? Esty Dinur

38 Karl: Please elaborate what you mean by mixed feelings. Thanks. Stephen Spitz

39 "Excellent question, Karl.  Because it removes the tragedy of the loss of life and focuses on the question of violence, destruction of property, etc.  Which brings it closer to the events of last summer, here in Madison and in many other communities across the country.
Paul, what would you have done this past summer had you been Mayor?
Karl, what were your thoughts as you watched the events of this past summer unfold?  What are your thoughts now about the proper role of violence in  protest?  (I ask that in full realization that the vast majority of the protests were peaceful.)
Karl, have you had any contact with members of the Fassnacht family over the years?  If so, would you be willing to tell us about that?" Anonymous Attendee

40 Why is war still going on? (sounds like a stupid question, I know). Because WAR IS GOOD BUSINESS. 50% of our tax $$ does to the war business/industry (and 50% of that goes to contractors). Why not start the demand and #DefundWar  ?? John Fournelle

41 Heather - can you expand on disinformation and not feeding those movements? Terry Murray We need to spread the positive message and not only repeat the negative--often false message.  And build our own media.  Freedom of the Press Belongs to those who own one! (AJ Liebling said that)   We need to create and move our own media  AND organize.

42 John isn't getting to the structural problem of capitalism and the duopoly, that includes a totally complicit media!! Relying on the democrats is foolhardy. Anyone disagree with that? David Hughes

43 Hi Brewster!!! Lol! David Hughes

44 I’d like to hear from Karl Armstrong what HE thinks would have happened if no one had been killed. Judy Gumbo

45 Like to here John M. contrast the two Iraq wars and the public's response to both. Paul Dingman

46 Judy Gumbo - I would also like to hear what Karl thinks about what would have happened if no-one was killed. James Wilberforce

47 Karl,  A lot of people are commenting in the Chat that they’d like to hear your thoughts about how things might have unfolded had their not been a loss of life as a result of the bombing.  What do you think would have happened? Laurie Frost

48 These questions for Karl were posed on the chat: We need to know Karl’s part in history ... and how Karl views his contribution to history today Mary Beth Marklein

49 Also: I’d like to hear more from Karl Armstrong about what HE thinks would have happened if no one had been killed. Mary Beth Marklein

50 How can we maximize response to a potential military involvement before irreversible actions are taken. Paul Dingman

51 And if Karl is willing to say more about why his feelings are mixed.about Weather. I also get it if he doesn’t want to, and that’s fine, but it would help us understand. Anonymous Attendee

52 Saw that you have mixed reactions about the Weather Underground; Mark Rudd eventually came to terms with what he saw as the misguidedness and futility of the Weather underground, concluding that the movement gained strength and had it’s greatest impact while he “was sitting on a park bench.” On a separate note, (and to the CoIntelpro point) I worry about the infiltration of our ranks with a far more dangerous breed of provocateurs than those we knew. Chic Canfora

53 Could we hear a little something from Karl? His thoughts about all this? Where is he at today? James Wilberforce

54 Of course Trump’s most important “base” is the billionaire clique.  What’s the source of “white resentment”?  Try Case & Deaton’s Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism.  White working class  (WWC) decoding by Joan WIlliams is superb, too: White Working Class: Overcoming Class Cluelessness in America, 2017. Recently reviewed in The Journal of Progressive Human Services.  Hey folks, 2/3 of the WWC voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020… Sam Coleman

55 Right on Karl. And one way to address the 50 million  non-repentent Trump supporters (and also the 80 million who did not vote, many because they didn’t think voting would make any difference) would be to focus on how so much of our tax $$ are going to the war profiteers. A campaign to cut the “defense budget” could be sold to many Trump supporters if it was going to go to their rural etc communities. #DefundWar John Fournelle

56 right on Heather - but who funds it?  im in as a lifelong journalist. Martha & Bob Spanninger & Mueller




2 comments:

  1. Sorry to have missed the session, but so glad for all these postings, some of which touch on issues I tried to raise in my semi-autobiographical novel about the antiwar and draft resistance movement of the late 1960s, "Passages of Rebellion." Indeed, there is a character, based loosely on Leo Burt, a member with Karl of the James Gang responsible for the bombing of the AMRC in Madison.

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