Webinar One: The U.S.
The Peoples Peace Treaty in the Anti War Movement
Saturday, February 27, 12 noon ET
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Webinar Two: Vietnam
Adoption Meetings of Students from the US, Saigon and Hanoi
Wednesday, April 19, 9:30 p.m. ET; April 20, 8:30 a.m. in Vietnam
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These webinars will consider from the perspective of both Vietnamese and American student participants a unique collaboration to chart the path to peace.
The US Government began negotiations to end the war with the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, the Provisional Revolutionary Government and the Government of South Vietnam in Paris in 1968. By the summer of 1970, the negotiations in Paris had gotten only as far as deciding the parties to the negotiation and the size and shape of the negotiating table.
In August 1970, the US National Student Association Congress meeting at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota, authorized a delegation of US students to travel to meet with students in the Republic of Vietnam (South) and in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North). Their goal was to create a peace treaty by students to show the government the way to end the war. A diverse delegation of 15 student leaders from college and university campuses from Puerto Rico to Hawaii was organized to travel to Saigon and Hanoi in December of 1970 to negotiate the People’s Peace Treaty. Only one, Doug Hostetter, evaded the South Vietnamese government's denial of visas to hold private discussions with the Saigon Student Union. The full group met in Hanoi with students from the north and liberated areas of the south.
In the spring semester of 1971, the People’s Peace Treaty they created was ratified by student governments or campus wide referenda in hundreds of US college and university campuses, and signed by many other prominent Americans. By the end of April, eight US Representatives introduced a Concurrent Resolution, “Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), that it is the sense of the Congress that the People’s Peace Treaty embodies the legitimate aspirations of the American and Vietnamese peoples for an enduring and just peace in Indochina.”
The Treaty became an organizing vehicle for and theme of the massive May Day civil disobedience in Washington. It took another 24 months before the four parties signed the Paris Accords that ended US official involvement in the Vietnam War on essentially the same terms that the students had negotiated two years earlier.
The text of the Treaty and a partial list of signers and schools can be seen here.
Speakers in the Vietnam Webinar, April 19/20
- * Moderators: Bui Van Nghi, John McAuliff
- * Ambassador Nguyễn Phương Nga
- * Huynh Tan Mam
- * Jay Craven
- * Larry Magid National Student Association staff
- * Doug Hostetter
- * Vu Thi Dung
- * Ngo Thi Phuong Thien
- * Nguyen Van Huynh
- * Nguyen Thi Chau
- * Pham Van Chuong
- Guest
- * Keith Parker
Speakers in the US Webinar, February 27
* Jay Craven moderator, national organizer of grassroots programs
* Richard Falk Professor emeritus, Princeton University political significance of the PPT
* Larry Magid National Student Association staff
* Doug Hostetter staff member in national office
* Rebecca Wilson Local organizer in southern California
* Keith Parker student leader at Indiana University
* Ron Eachus Oregon local organizer
* Lee Webb codirector Vietnam Summer, Vermont legislature consideration
* Ngo Vinh Long US representative of Saigon Student Movement
Italicized names were members of NSA delegation to Vietnam
If you were involved locally with the Peoples Peace Treaty, please contact Doug Hostetter by e-mail doughostetter@gmail.com
Speakers, Webinar 2 (Vietnam)
Award-winning filmmaker, teacher and impresario Jay Craven participated in the December 1970 Peoples Peace treaty delegation to Vietnam – and subsequently helped organize the May Day 1971 antiwar civil disobedience demonstrations in Washington, D.C. where nearly 13,000 people were arrested. He has also been active on issues of civil rights, nuclear power and U.S. interventions in Central America. His 1980 documentary film, “Dawn of the People,” chronicles Nicaragua’s National Literacy Campaign and his most recent narrative picture, “Martin Eden” (2021) is based on Jack London’s autobiographical novel of the same name.
Doug Hostetter is a Peace Pastor in the Mennonite Church. Doug was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War who chose to do his alternative service working for the Mennonite Central Committee in Tam Ky, Vietnam, from 1966 - 1969. During his time in Vietnam, Doug established a literacy program which used Vietnamese high school students to teach thousands of Vietnamese children, whose schools had been destroyed by the US military, how to read and write. Doug returned to Vietnam in 1970 with the US National Student Association delegation that negotiated the People’s Peace Treaty, and was broadly active in the US antiwar movement. Doug worked for the United Methodist Office for the United Nations, was the Director of the New England Office of the American Friends Service Committee, the Director of the US Fellowship of Reconciliation and directed the Mennonite Central Committee United Nations Office for over a decade. Doug is currently the NGO Representative for Pax Christi International at the United Nations. Doug has published widely on the issues of war, peace and nonviolence, and is a contributing author to The People Make the Peace: Lessons from the Vietnam Antiwar movement.
Larry Magid, EdD, is a technology journalist and an Internet safety advocate.
He is CEO of ConnectSafely.org, writes a weekly column for the San Jose Mercury News, and regularly for Forbes.com. He is the host of the twice-weekly ConnectSafely Report for CBS News Radio and a frequent technology analyst on BBC World News television along with local and network stations across the U.S. and around the world. He served for 20 years as the on-air technology analyst for CBS News and host of the popular CBS show, Eye on Tech.
He’s been a contributor to the New York Times and was, for 19 years, a syndicated columnist for the Los Angeles Times with columns appearing in the Washington Post and numerous other papers around the world.
He has written several books including the best-selling Little PC Book and Larry Magid’s Guide to the New Digital Highways.
Larry served on the Obama Administration’s Online Technology Working Group and the Harvard Law School Berkman Center’s Internet Safety Technology Task Force and the board of directors of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children and advisory boards of PBS Kids, Internet Congressional Caucus and Family Online Safety Institute as well as safety advisory boards for Facebook, Google, Snapchat, Twitter, Comcast and Roblox. He has a doctor of education degree from the University of Massachusetts and a bachelor’s degree from the University of California at Berkeley.
https://www.larrysworld.com/about/
After her December, 1970 visit to Vietnam as a member of the Peoples’ Peace Treaty delegation, Becca Wilson wrote a lengthy article about her experiences that was published as a special supplement to the University of California, Santa Barbara daily student newspaper.
In the 1969-70 academic year preceding her trip to Vietnam, Becca had been the openly partisan editor of that newspaper. Under her leadership, the paper had championed the New Left movements of the day – the antiwar, student power, black and Chicano power movements, as well as the burgeoning ecology and women’s liberation movements. Campus conservatives frequently denounced the paper, and in February,1970, when the Bank of America was burned down in the nearby student community of Isla Vista, UCSB’s administration heaped considerable blame for that insurrectionary act onto Becca.
The Peoples’ Peace Treaty trip led Becca to vow to herself that activism for peace and justice would be a lifelong calling of the heart, not merely a phase of her youth. After her return, she became one of the leaders of Santa Barbara’s antiwar movement, helping to organize a statewide Peoples’ Peace Treaty conference at UCSB, as well as a weeklong demonstrations in conjunction with the MayDay 1971 protests in Washington DC. While serving time in jail for her part in one of the local MayDay protests, Becca and a visiting friend hatched a plan to establish an alternative weekly newspaper to challenge the hegemony of the stodgy, conservative Santa Barbara News Press. She and a small group of friends formed a collective, and with just $5000 in capital, launched the first issue of the Santa Barbara News & Review in late 1971.
Beginning in 1972, Becca became active in the Indochina Peace Campaign and helped organize and coordinate two more statewide conferences of antiwar groups. She remained active in the IPC through the fall of Saigon in 1975. At the News & Review, she wrote about the war, especially the air war and the Vietnamization program, and after the peace agreements were signed in 1973, about the political situation in South Vietnam.
In 1976, Becca moved to Los Angeles and worked for several years in documentary film production. In 1984, the staff owned and operated News & Review was facing imminent bankruptcy. To save the paper, shareholders sold it for one dollar to a group of investors, who arranged a merger with a competing, more yuppie-ish newspaper. The publication survives today in a new incarnation called the Santa Barbara Independent.
For the last 25 years, Becca has been an editor and writer working primarily for unions, and progressive nonprofits.
John McAuliff is the executive director of the Fund for Reconciliation and Development and coordinator of the Vietnam Peace Commemoration Committee. As a student at Carleton College, he organized support for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and participation in the Mississippi Summer Project of 1964. After serving in the Peace Corps in Peru, he became the first President of the Committee of Returned Volunteers, leading its participation in the Vietnam anti-war movement, including the demonstration at the Chicago Democratic Convention. He represented CRV in national anti-war coalitions and the U.S coalition at international conferences in Sweden. For ten years he directed the Indochina Program in the Peace Education Division of the American Friends Service Committee, traveling on its behalf to Hanoi with a delegation that arrived on April 30, 1975, the last day of the war. In 1985 he founded the Fund for Reconciliation and Development to continue his AFSC work for normalization of relations with Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. After that was accomplished in 2005, he refocused most of his work on a similar goal with Cuba. He was "detained" at the March on the Pentagon and the Mayday civil disobedience action and while demonstrating against George Wallace during his Presidential campaign in New York.
Ambassador Nguyễn Phương Nga
- 2011 – 2014: Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam.
- 10/2018 -12/2018: Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam.
- Since 1/2019: Secretary of Party Delegation, Chairwoman of the Vietnam Union of Friendship Organizations.
Huỳnh Tấn Mẫm was born in 1945 in Gia Dinh (former name for Ho
Chi Minh City), to a poor farming family, the only son in
the family of 9 to have the opportunity to go to school. During his university
years, he got imprisoned many times for participating in antiwar movements.
Because of this background, he worked hard to become a doctor, later on, an
activist for youth and student movements. Retired in 2002, he used to be Head
of Youth Council, first Chief editor of Thanh Nien newspaper (1986-1990), Vice
president of of the Ho Chi Minh City chapter of the Vietnamese Red Cross (for
10 years), Director of a Blood donation center, Vice President of Sponsoring
Association for Poor Patients, in charge of the congenital heart program, which
has helped approximately 7000 cases. Currently, he is running a school for
children with autism.
Nguyễn Thị Châu was born on September 23rd, 1938. When the People’s Peace Treaty was signed, she was the president of the Southern People’s Youth Union. Before Liberation Day, she was the deputy secretary of the Gia Dinh union. After Liberation Day, she served as the president of the People’s Committee of District 10. Post-retirement, she became the director of the Committee of Children Care and Protection.
Nguyễn Văn Huỳnh
Dung Vu chaired the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Saigon Student Union and served as liaison and interpreter for the Union when they communicate with foreign delegations. In her function she liaised with the press, peace organizations such as the Fellowship of Reconciliation, American Friends Service Committee, the Southern Christian Leadership and the US National Student Association to the Student Union to build steps towards the signing of the People’s Peace Treaty.
A member the International Order of Interbeing of Plum Village created by Thich Nhat Hanh, and a Dharma Teacher, she resides now in Canada working with the Maple Village. Since 2013, she returns regularly to Vietnam to help carry out the practice of Mindfulness and Interbeing there, and collaborated with the Khai Tri Special Education School in Ho Chi Minh City, in the training of special education teachers and social workers to work with children with autism spectrum disorder.
Ron Eachus loved Oregon and stayed there after going to Vietnam with the Peoples Peace Treaty delegation. He
worked for the Legislature in 1973 and 1975 before heading the Eugene district
office of Congressman Jim Weaver for nine years. In 1984 he was elected to the
Oregon Legislature and in 1987 was appointed to the Public Utility Commission,
serving for 14 years. In 2001 he began consulting with a focus on creation of
energy regulators in developing countries, which gave him a chance to see more
of the world. He also wrote a weekly political column for the local newspaper
from 2001-2016. Now 73, he is retired.
Ngo Vinh Long has been professor of Asian Studies in
the History Department at the University of Maine since 1985. His areas of
interest include social and economic development in Asia and US relations with
Asian countries. He is the author four books and over 200 hundred articles in
various languages. He was a co-founder of the Committee of Asian Concerned
Asian Scholars and its Bulletin of Concerned Asian Scholars in 1968, renamed
Critical Asian Studies in 2000, which is a high-impact scholarly journal on
Asia. He has travelled to Vietnam and
other countries in Asia almost every year since 1986 to do research, to give
papers, and to work with various academic institutions and non-governmental
organizations there. As a result of his research he has also been invited by
international radios and mass media to give analyses on developments in Asia
almost every month.
Larry Magid, EdD, is a technology journalist and an Internet safety advocate.
He is CEO of ConnectSafely.org, writes a weekly column for the San Jose Mercury News, and regularly for Forbes.com. He is the host of the twice-weekly ConnectSafely Report for CBS News Radio and a frequent technology analyst on BBC World News television along with local and network stations across the U.S. and around the world. He served for 20 years as the on-air technology analyst for CBS News and host of the popular CBS show, Eye on Tech.
He’s been a contributor to the New York Times and was, for 19 years, a syndicated columnist for the Los Angeles Times with columns appearing in the Washington Post and numerous other papers around the world.
He has written several books including the best-selling Little PC Book and Larry Magid’s Guide to the New Digital Highways.
Larry served on the Obama Administration’s Online Technology Working Group and the Harvard Law School Berkman Center’s Internet Safety Technology Task Force and the board of directors of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children and advisory boards of PBS Kids, Internet Congressional Caucus and Family Online Safety Institute as well as safety advisory boards for Facebook, Google, Snapchat, Twitter, Comcast and Roblox. He has a doctor of education degree from the University of Massachusetts and a bachelor’s degree from the University of California at Berkeley.
https://www.larrysworld.com/about/
Keith S. Parker traveled to Vietnam as part of the National Student Association’s “Peoples Peace Treaty” delegation. While at Indiana University, Keith was elected student body president, worked with the local chapter of the Black Panthers, helped form the African Studies program and organized daycare centers for students that had children and food co-ops to try to lower the cost of food. Parker says he first became involved with activism in 1954 when he began kindergarten. He and three girls were the first black students to attend the school he went to. This was the same year the Supreme Court ruled racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional in Brown v. Board of Education.
After graduation, Parker began working at the Minnesota Department of Education and as an instructor in the Afro-American Studies Department at the University of Minnesota. He then embarked on a 36-year career at UCLA, culminating in the role of Assistant Vice Chancellor for Government and Community Relations. Keith's father was a minister who knew and marched with Dr. King. Mr. Parker serves on the boards of the Los Angeles Business Council, Los Angeles Chapter of the National Association of Women Owned Businesses, Jackie Robinson Foundation’s Los Angeles Advisory Committee and the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce.
Lee Webb lives in Camden and has lived full time in Maine since 2004.
His mother was born and raised in Bath and Augusta, Maine. Her grandfather sat on the Maine Republican State Committee with James G. Blaine.
Lee graduated from Boston University and later received an MA and a PhD.
He was a founder of Students for a Democratic Society, worked on the civil rights and anti-war movements, including as co-director of Vietnam Summer, was an editor at Ramparts Magazine. taught at Goddard College in Vermont, was the founder of the Conference on Alternative State and Local Policies and the National Center for Policy Alternatives, both based in Washington.
He worked for Mario Cuomo for ten years at the NYS Urban Development Corporation and the Job Development Authority. Then was Executive Director of Dance Theatre of Harlem. Later he ran Real Estate and Construction for Partners Health Care in Boston and then Real Estate and Facilities at New School University in New York City. oard of Pen Bay and Waldo Hospital, and the Midcoast Forum on Foreign Policy.
Lee received a second PH. D. in American History from the University of Maine in 2016.
His dissertation was on the origins of party politics in Maine and he has written more than 10 books on Maine history. He was a member of the Board of the Maine Historical Society for many years and was a Senior Fellow at Margret Chase Smith Policy Center.
Richard Falk is professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University. He has published a number of books and essays analyzing the American human rights debate, the legality of the Vietnam War and other military operations. With regard to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, he wrote that it is "inescapable that an objective observer would reach the conclusion that this Iraq War is a war of aggression, and as such, that it amounts to a crime against peace of the sort for which surviving German leaders were indicted and prosecuted at the Nuremberg trials conducted shortly after the Second World War.
Falk was active against the war in Vietnam and participated in the release and transport of American POWS back to the United States. In 2008, the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) appointed Falk to a six-year term as a United Nations Special Rapporteur on "the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967.”
Resources
"People’s Peace Treaty of 1971" a compilation of historical documents and a personal analysis by Larry Magid on Larrysworld.com, click here
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Chat from the 2/27 Webinar
12:05:26 From Charlotte Phillips to All panelists : I missed the first few sentences: when was this trip?
12:05:42 From Becca Wilson to All panelists : 1970 December
12:06:08 From Becca Wilson to All panelists : This is just slide show prior to program
12:08:47 From Ronald Mendel : Hello -- Ron from Bristol, England
12:09:32 From Frank Joyce to All panelists : What a treat this is. (Or should I say what a treaty this is.) Great to see everyone. Frank Joyce
12:09:45 From Becca Wilson to All panelists : HI FRANK!
12:10:11 From Becky Luening to All panelists : No we’re not
12:12:23 From Bob Schwartz : Can you report the speaker’s list John?
12:14:43 From John McAuliff :
* Jay Craven moderator, national organizer of grassroots programs
* Richard Falk Professor emeritus, Princeton University political significance of the PPT
* Larry Magid National Student Association staff
* Doug Hostetter staff member in national office
* Rebecca Wilson Local organizer in southern California
* Keith Parker student leader at Indiana University
* Ron Eachus Oregon local organizer
* Lee Webb codirector Vietnam Summer, Vermont legislature consideration
* Ngo Vinh Long US representative of Saigon Student Movement
12:17:26 From mark rasenick to All panelists : nice to see some of you after 50 years. I remember getting a women’s club in Cleveland to both endorse the treaty and provide funds to repay the trip. We (this was with Jane Fonda) were able to get a union in Lorian Ohio (don’t remember which union) to endorse the treaty. Mark Rasenick
12:19:04 From John McAuliff to mark rasenick and all panelists : I will invite you at the beginning of the Q & A to say 2 - 3 minutes, particularly about your post trip use of the treaty.
12:19:29 From Ronald Mendel : I was involved with the Peoples' Peace Treaty as a member New University Conference while a graduate student at the University of North Carolina. We helped organise a meeting at the Coffee House at Fayetteville, North Carolina, Fort Bragg was located.
12:22:10 From John McAuliff to Ronald Mendel and all panelists : I will recognize you at beginning of Q & A to share that for 2-3 minutes
12:32:21 From Laurent Gilbert : I highly recommend a book by S. Brian Wilson entitled: Don't thank me for my service: My Vietnam Awakening to the Long History of US Lies.
12:37:23 From Laurent Gilbert : I recommend another book entitled Waging Peace" Global Adventures of A Lifelong Activist. by David Hartsough with Joyce Hollyday.
12:38:25 From Larry Magid to All panelists : You can find a blog post & documents about the PPT at https://www.larrysworld.com/
12:38:48 From Larry Magid : You can find a blog post & documents about the PPT at https://www.larrysworld.com/
12:44:48 From John McAuliff : "The People Make the Peace" edited by Karin Aguilar-San Juan and Frank Joyce, reflections by activists who traveled to Hanoi during the war and returned in 2013 (includes VPPC members Frank Joyce, Jay Craven, Doug Hostetter and John McAuliff) More information and order here
13:01:49 From John McAuliff to Ron Eachus(Direct Message) : Please talk about post trip organizing in Oregon
13:02:15 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Hello! I am a junior historian of the Vietnam War. I am writing a piece on South Vietnamese students being antiwar activists in the U.S. They faced quite a bit of repercussions. Did the threats and consequences from the US government/public scare you? If no, why? If yes, how did you overcome that?
13:02:20 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Thank you!
13:03:54 From John McAuliff to Nguyet Nguyen and all panelists : Please copy and paste to Q&A
13:06:06 From Laurent Gilbert : Where in Maine does Lee Webb live?
13:08:54 From Al C. to All panelists : “it’s politics”. That bullshit hasn’t changed. It’s being used now obviously. It’s so good to see and hear real people.
13:13:09 From Lee Webb to All panelists : I leave in Camden Maine now. Lee
13:13:42 From Lee Webb : I leave in Camden Maine now Lee
13:21:35 From Mary Yelenick to All panelists : Thank you, all of you, for your commitment and critical work. This is such a powerful story, which should be widely shared. Is there a web graphic or short You Tube video telling this story, which one could post, to share this more widely? There are so many important strategies, learnings, and ideas that you employed, from which younger peacemakers today could benefit.
13:27:01 From John McAuliff : This program and the late April program from Vietnam will be on our youtube channel in a day or two. The best short version is in The People Make the Peace but we have learned more from this process so something else will be produced. Larry Magid has a lot on his web page
13:27:17 From Brewster Rhoads to All panelists : Thanks so much for this excellent set of presentations. I learned so much. Good to “see” you again Lee Webb!
13:31:54 From Frank Joyce to All panelists : John I would like to speak to current and larger issues of PPT, if you want. Frank
13:33:51 From stanley maron : Have this organization done work to stop war in Yemen ?
13:34:46 From John McAuliff to stanley maron and all panelists : VPCC has a focus on Vietnam.
13:41:40 From Walter Hill : I'm glad to see several people mentioning Jackson State.
13:47:08 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Perhaps Prof. Long would know who started the idea?
13:47:38 From Ronald Mendel : I have to leave now for another webinar. John, thanks for allowing me to speak. Keep up the good work.
13:48:03 From Frank Joyce to All panelists : Thanks everyone—this was great. Frank Joyce
13:52:12 From Nguyet Nguyen : As a female scholar, I can't help noticing that this webinar is so male-oriented.
13:52:37 From Nguyet Nguyen : Does it reflect the gender composition in the past? And if yes, why was it so dominated by male participants in the past?
13:52:56 From Becca Wilson : Nguyen yes - I was one of only two women on the peoples peace treaty delegation
13:55:19 From Lee Webb to All panelists : This was very interesting and very well run. Congratulations John and Jay. I have to leave for another appointments. Thanks again
13:56:04 From Kristin Cabral : Yes, please, more voices of women bearing witness
13:56:25 From Nguyet Nguyen : Thank you, Ms. Wilson! May I get in touch with you in the future to inquire more about this? My research is on people-to-people diplomacy.
13:56:52 From Becca Wilson to Nguyet Nguyen and all panelists : My email is reachbecca@gmail.com
13:59:20 From Brewster Rhoads : Hi Jacquie. So great to see you! Love the story you shared. Brought me to tears. Stay in touch. Brewster Rhoads. brewohio@gmail.com
13:59:37 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Thank you, Ms. Wilson
14:00:38 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : I'd like to get more women's voices in my research. Please allow me to contact you if you are interested. Thank you!
14:00:46 From Robert Minnich to All panelists : Yo Jackie - never heard that story.
14:02:20 From Mary Yelenick : Ms. Nguyet Nguyễn: Very interested in the topic of people-to-people diplomacy. Mary Yelenick email: yelenickpciun@earthlink.net
14:05:15 From mark rasenick to John McAuliff(Direct Message) : Thanks so much for doing this, John. When were you last in Cuba?
14:05:58 From Walter Teague to All panelists : There were many brave Vietnamese students from Saigon who came to the U.S. and Canada and were active parts of the antiwar movement.
14:08:06 From Hồng-Phong Phó : Thank you, John M. for putting this webinar together. Will the April session include people from the Saigon Student Union? Yes, see list above.
14:09:40 From Mark Silverberg : agents stole pictures of napalm and cluster bombers victims that were brought back from a P2P meeting in Montreal to prevent their publication
14:11:53 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : My email address is nguyetn@american.edu. Thank you so much
14:12:03 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Can you please send me an email?
14:12:08 From Keith Parker : Thank you for this opportunity to reconnect with old friends and allies
14:12:25 From Nguyet Nguyen to All panelists : Or if you give me your email addresses, I'd like to get in touch with you.
14:12:37 From Nguyet Nguyen to Mark Silverberg and all panelists : Thank you, Mr. Silverberg
14:12:40 From Hồng-Phong Phó : @John M., You're right that the arc of progress for women in Vietnam is not linear.
14:13:10 From Jay Craven : Absolutely, Keith -- a pleasure and illuminating time. Let's stay in touch. Thanks for all you brought to our conversation.
14:13:32 From mark rasenick : Thanks for organizing this John and Jay. So nice to see you all. my email is raz@uic.edu
14:14:29 From Terry Provance to All panelists : March 22 religious webinar
14:17:35 From Michael Padwee : Thanks for setting this up.
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