20:26:51
From Shawn Driscoll to
Hosts and panelists : Beyond Vietnam speech
20:26:59
From paul edward gingras : 1967
20:27:30
From Terry Murray to
Hosts and panelists : Re MLK adoption of anti-war stance was 1967. His
famous speech at NYC’s Riverside church was exactly a year before he was
murdered.
20:28:05
From Doug Rawlings : exactly one year
later to the day he was assasinated
20:28:06
From John McAuliff to
Hosts and panelists : Paul, you should bring in David
20:28:28
From James M Branum : I wanted to say
thank you, thank you, to all who had a role in the FTA! show and later the Sir,
No Sir! documentary. These two films played a huge, huge role in inspiring the
short-lived GI coffee house movement of the more recent Iraq and Afghanistan
wars. The service members and veterans at Fort Hood, Fort Lewis, Fort Drum and
Norfolk Naval station, as well as their civilian supporters, took to heart the
idea that the war itself could be ended if enough service members pushed back.
My only criticism of these films is that they didn't tell us
enough about the behind-the-scenes issues that were necessary to keep the
movement afloat. Eventually all of the more recent coffee houses closed down,
mostly due to the lack of support, particularly from outside of the military
communities.
20:29:24
From Doug Bradley : To underscore
Holly’s point, Jonathan Eig’s new biography of King points out how King lost
lots of support for protesting the war in Vietnam and the FBI amped up their
campaign against him because he was anti-war.
20:29:33
From Doug Rawlings : I was just in
Vietnam -- "we forgive but we don't forget"
20:30:04
From Shawn Driscoll to
Hosts and panelists : James…Much support came from organizations such as
USSF
20:32:08
From Kate Harris : I was able to borrow
a DVD copy of FTA from my library (there are two copies available here in the
statewide Maine library system)
20:32:45
From Joe Volk to
Hosts and panelists : I recommend David Cortright’s book, Soldiers in
Revolt: GI Resistance During the Vietnam War, for details on the coffee house
movement and the GI anti-war movement. Get the 2005 edition.
20:32:57
From Jay Wilber : Hi Jane! Whatever
happened to Marty Kenner? (who helped with, among other things, the Panthers
Constitutional Convention in D.C....)
20:33:28
From Steve Talbot to
Hosts and panelists : Hi, to Jane Fonda and Paul Lauter in particular.
The FTA! Show was a very important, effective part of the anti-Vietnam war
movement. It certainly encouraged
development of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and that famous demonstration
at the Capitol in Washington, DC in April 1971, which I was fortunate to film.
20:33:43
From ARNY Stieber to
Hosts and panelists : Hopefully you’ll mention the book “The Spitting
Image” by Jerry Lembcke.
20:35:02
From John McAuliff : Sandra
Schulberg Indie Collect
https://mailchi.mp/indiecollect/please-support-indiecollect-this-giving-tuesday?e=8097ef30bb
20:35:05
From Doug Bradley : Jerry Lembecke’s The
Spitting Image documents the reality that this never happened!
20:35:07
From Shawn Driscoll : James…Much support
came from organizations such as USSF =)
20:35:48
From Shawn Driscoll : Excellent work,
John. Thank you
20:36:40
From James M Branum : Shawn, I think it
did make the difference. I still think there is a need for ongoing physical
presence in military communities by antiwar folks, but to make it work there
does need to be a broader network of support. I think that made the difference
in the Vietnam era.
20:36:43
From Michael Turek : Is it possible to
get Sir! No Sir! on PBS?
20:38:17
From Shawn Driscoll : James..Completely
agree. Support and education for all.
20:38:58
From Mike Burton : Thank you for your insights. As you know, for many
the war hasn't ended for many reasons. I was stationed in Thailand, but all of
our missions were flown against Laos. The war there still goes on, with 1000s
still being killed or injured from the tons of bombs that remain from this
"Secret War". I chair Legacies of War a group that advocates for the
removal of unexploded ordinances the US left ; the US was there in clear
voilotion of the Genva Accords of 1962. Can you extend your efforts to tell the
truth about US involvement in the war in Indochina and join us in our advocacy?
20:39:01
From Jay Wilber : Lembecke's work great
and important. Those who did things like that were probably drunks in bars who
weren't even against the war at all to begin with.
20:39:42
From Steve Talbot to
Hosts and panelists : David Zeiger is absolutely correct about the
"spitting myth". There have been endless efforts to disparage,
stereotype, and marginalize the anti-Vietnam war movement. It's one reason that
I made the film "The Movement and the "Madman" with Robert
Levering for the PBS series American Experience this year. We show what the
mass movement was really like in 1969 and what it accomplished in preventing a
major Nixon-Kissinger escalation of the war.
20:39:54
From Jaime Veve : in 2018 had the honor
to visit Vietnam. was incredibly humbling to be thanked for refusing the
military draft.
20:41:10
From Doug Bradley : The past is never
dead. It’s not even past. - Faulkner
20:41:55
From stefen STEFEN : Please acknowledge
and promote the film "The Boys Who Said NO !" to the draft
20:42:00
From Doug Rawlings : I was just n Hue
this past August at a conference on the Heritage of Vietnam. We used Ron Carver's book on the GI
Resistance to the war, which had just been translated into Vietnamese. Most of the conference attendees were
Vietnamese, who knew almost nothing about the GI resistance.
20:42:03
From Sandy Polishuk : I went to my first
VW teach in in 1965 and was active all along from then, which is why I was
shocked by learning what really happened and why Nixon pulled us out from Sir!
No Sir! Amazing history, so glad the story is finally available for all of us,
even long-time activists to learn the truth
20:42:06
From Jaime Veve : while fighting the
draft worked with the American Serviceman's Union. which viewed the importance
of workers being used to fight imperial wars.
20:42:33
From stefen STEFEN : Resisters of the
60's. Needs to be on PBS also.
20:43:07
From Shawn Driscoll : Amazing film, as
is F.T.A. Both are a big part of my in-process dissertation work. Thank you
20:43:50
From Mike Burton : I returned to the US
in 1969 through Travis AFB and we were told there were protestors there and so
we were taxied around to a secluded spot and put on buses. I never saw nor
experienced any spitting or harassment. I was in rehab at Wright-Patterson AFB
and we were not allowed to leave the base in uniform. I only felt uncomfortable
when I went to a concert at a near- by college and was obviously noticed because
of my short hair ; but the time I was offered a drag on some weed I was only
told "I’m sorry for you man."
20:44:02
From paul edward gingras to
Hosts and panelists : I have an original 16mm film from a Baltimore TV
station that filmed the May 17, 1968
Catonsville Nine. Tom Lewis Dan and Phil
Berrigan I am working with Jerry Lembcke. Please contact me Paul Edward Gingras
Executive Producer The Subversive Art of Artist Activist Tom Lewis Thanks gingras.paul@gmail.com
774-696-8909 978-350-6924 tomlewisartistactivist.org
20:45:08
From Terry Murray to
Hosts and panelists : Movement and the Madman was excellent. I finally
saw it here in Canada, but I don’t remember what streaming service. We don’t
always get what’s available on U.S. streaming services - eg, films on Netflix
in the U.S. isn’t necessarily available on Netflix in Canada.
20:45:18
From Mike Burton to
Hosts and panelists : Madman and
the Movement should be required viewing for all Americans, Thank you for making
it!
20:45:19
From ARNY Stieber to
Hosts and panelists : Viet Nam is historically two words. It was changed to one word by the NYT. Back then the only way to get news back to
the U.S. was by cable. Cable charged per
word.
20:45:38
From Doug Bradley : Steve’s film is
terrific. Don’t forget The War At Home by Glenn Silber and Barry Brown about
the anti-war movement in Madison, WI.
20:46:26
From James M Branum : Speaking of music
from the FTA show, Barbara Dane's FTA album is on Spotify. Very moving and
still very relevant.
20:46:53
From Doug Rawlings : I got out of the
army and Nam in August of 1970 at Ft. Lewis.
Then my wife and I hitchhiked across the country from LA to Cleveland,
Ohio. We were on the road for three weeks.
Not once was I accosted for being in that war.
20:47:24
From Robert Levering : The Movement and
the "Madman" can be streamed on Amazon Prime, iTunes, Kanopy, and PBS
Passport
20:47:27
From STEPHEN Morse : The weekend of
November 15, 1969, all GIs at Ft Ord were confined to the base, even though it
was more than 100 miles south of San Francisco.
20:51:00
From Doug Rawlings : Hugh Thompson (Whistleblower of My Lai)
20:51:00
From Michael Turek : I got out of the
Air Force in 1972 and although no one ever made negative remarks to me about
the War what I got and still get is a lack of interest in what I experienced.
20:51:05
From Chris Brandt : What's the title of Talbot's
film? I checked his name on Kanopy and
didn't get a hit.
20:51:58
From Steve Talbot : The name of my film
is The Movement and the "Madman".
20:52:35
From Chris Brandt : Thank you
20:52:42
From Nate Goldshlag to
Hosts and panelists : what is the name of this Kronos thing?
The Whistleblower of My Lai
20:52:43
From Sandy Polishuk : Whistleblower is
an amazing film in so many ways, his story, the music, the artiists' per
20:52:54
From Steve Talbot : Hugh Thompson, a
true hero.
20:53:03
From Mike Burton to
Hosts and panelists : This short film explains my role in and concern
about Laos https://vimeo.com/jimmyhuttonfilms
20:53:45
From Doug Bradley : I second Steve’s
emotion. Hugh Thompson was a brave man
20:54:54
From Jay Wilber : Though false and a
factor, "spitting" is not the
main reason people may get quiet once they launch a war. "Support the
Troops," is probably a broader "meme" deployed to silence
opposition and dissent.
20:55:34
From Sandy Polishuk : support the
troops/bring them home
20:56:16
From Michael Turek : MUSIC! was so
important to me and many GIs during the Vietnam War.
20:57:59
From ARNY Stieber : Another thing that
Bush2 crew started was “Thank You for Your Service”.
20:58:12
From Robert Levering : Chris Appy's
book, "American Reckoning" goes into great detail about how the
Pentagon and rightwingers like Ronald Reagan (who called the VN war "a
noble cause") have successfully rewrote the history of the war.
20:59:21
From Mike Burton to
Hosts and panelists : Remember we stopped drafting people in 1975, the
attitude toward deployment --and we have over 1800,00 deployed currently, has
changed
20:59:25
From James M Branum : We had the cover
of Barbara Dane's FTA record hanging on the wall at the Under the Hood cafe.
That's how I first heard about it.
21:00:38
From ARNY Stieber : Viet Nam is historically two words. It was made one word by the NYT because cable
transmission was priced per word.
21:00:56
From James M Branum : It is still that
way. The most idealistic recruits are more likely to resist than those who come
in already cynical.
21:00:59
From Steve Talbot : Yes, as Holly Near
says, the music was so vital to the movement, and let's remember it was John
Lennon and Yoko Ono who wrote and performed with friends in 1969, Give Peace a
Chance, which actually immediately became a Top Ten song and then was sung (led
by Pete Seeger) by some half a million people on Nov. 15, 1969 within earshot
of the White House.
21:02:13
From James M Branum : Another factor is
that servicemembers get moved around from unit to unit much more than used to
be common. This makes it harder to do any real organizing.
21:02:24
From Bill Galvin : It's a mostly recruited (coerced) army, not a
volunteer army.
21:02:36
From STEPHEN Morse : Enlistees signed up
for an extra year (3 years, rather than 2 years for draftees). In many (but not all ) cases, they got the
school they signed up for, but were not used in what they were trained for, but
rather as cannon fodder. That was part
of the betrayal of enlistees.
21:02:55
From Anita Holmes : These three films
have had a tremendous impact upon me. I've only watched them since hearing
about this webinar. Still had a lot of shame and grief to deal with... these
are helping immensely. I'm another
enlistee (WAC), lied to, eventually got my discharge on the basis of
conscientious objection.
21:02:56
From Michael Koncewicz : The antiwar GI
movement is certainly smaller than the Vietnam era, but the folks at About Face
(formerly Iraq Veterans Against the War) have done great work
21:03:17
From James M Branum : The circumstances
are different, but the struggle continues. I'm sure many you are aware of the
organizations doing work on behalf of war resisters today, but if not here are
some links worth sharing:
CourageToResist.org
AboutFaceVeterans.org
VeteransForPeace.org
NLGMLTF.org
GIRights.org
CenterOnConscience.org
21:03:22
From Mike Burton to
Hosts and panelists : Enlistment today are often motivated by the need
for money, not patriotism
21:03:24
From Robert Levering : Don't forget that
it was because of the draft that LBJ and Nixon were able to launch such a huge
war. Without the draft, it would have been really difficult for the US to have
conducted the war.
21:03:57
From Shawn Driscoll : I am honored to be
writing my dissertation on USSF and its history and impact.
21:04:00
From Doug Bradley : Mini-commercial here
- I co-authored We Gotta Get Out of This Place: The Soundtrack of the Vietnam
War which emphasizes the power of music to soldiers and veterans.
21:04:32
From Doug Bradley : Rolling Stone named
it the best music book of 2015!
21:05:46
From Steve Talbot : That's a great book,
Doug. With a perfect title. The Animals!
21:04:53
From James M Branum : Shawn - very
excited to hear about this! I hope you get it published too.
21:04:53
From Jay Wilber : What about opium,
heroin and other drug use? And, of course, the supply "facilitated"
by the CIA in supporting mountaintop bases in Laos, in particular.
21:06:06
From Shawn Driscoll : James…Thank you.
Working on that post-dissertation defense for sure.
21:06:10
From Terry Murray to
Hosts and panelists : Just got the news that Henry Kissinger died.
21:06:39
From Lee Trampleasure : I was involved
in the 'counter-recruitment' movement in the last 70s (after the Vietnam war
ended) and there were many Vietnam vets involved in that movement. They
realized the impact of the 'poverty draft' and recruiters full of lies to
encourage young people to enlist.
21:07:01
From Dana Moss : Resistance in the
military is always happening -- the question is to what extent! Thank you all
for this amazing panel, wow. What a privilege!!
21:07:03
From Terry Murray to
Hosts and panelists : I get alerts from the New York Times.
21:07:26
From Sandy Polishuk : thank you Jane.
another criminal gone!
21:07:46
From Michael Turek : The Vietnam Anti
War Movement grew out of the Civil Rights and the Anti-Nuclear "Ban the
Bomb" Movement. There was at least a decade of organizing that laid the
ground work for the Vietnam Anti War Movement. That disappeared in the 1980s.
21:08:58
From Nicole Fall to
Hosts and panelists : Thank you for a great panel ! Dorothy Fall (Bernard
Fall’s spouse)
21:09:02
From Shawn Driscoll : Thank you all. I
am so happy to have attended this. Much appreciation to all here.
21:09:03
From DeAnne Butterfield to
Hosts and panelists : can we save the chat?
21:09:26
From Wesley Brown to
Hosts and panelists : Henry Kissinger was a prime neocon architect of US
global imperialism and hegemony. Comments panel?
21:09:31
From STEPHEN Morse : Look for the work
of Combatants for Peace - started by former Palestinian fighters and Israeli
soldiers working together to peace and justice
21:09:46
From Lee Trampleasure : Thank you Jane.
21:09:46
From Bev Henkel to
Hosts and panelists : Thank you. Only on short time but wonderful. I was in Quang Ngai 1969-1971 with American
Service Committee. I saw first hand US
policy and how this negatively affected the civilians. Thank you
Bev Henkel
21:09:49
From Norman Stockwell : Thanks everyone
for a great, and very informative program. This is such an important history we
need to honor, remember, and replicate. Sincerely, Norman Stockwell and The Progressive magazine
in Madison, Wisconsin.
21:09:49
From Douglas Murray : Wonderful session.
Thank you all.
21:09:50
From Elizabeth Gaines to
Hosts and panelists : Thank you, Jane
21:10:02
From Sandy Polishuk : great discussion
plus thanking you for suggesting I see these 3 wonderful films
21:10:07
From Sherrie Rosenberg : THANK YOU, JANE
for everything and especially for stopping the conversation about Israel and
Palestine.
21:10:10
From Anita Holmes : Thank you so very
much.
21:10:22
From Julie Herrada : 🥰
21:10:32
From Doug Gerash : Thanks for your
longtime courage, Jane. And to all the
AntiWar warriors here.
21:10:39
From Elizabeth Gaines to
Hosts and panelists : Jews were the victims of Genocide!!!
21:10:40
From Jay Wilber : Viva Palestina! (Don't
be silly...)
21:10:41
From Kathy Stricklin to
Hosts and panelists : Thank you all. Peace.
21:10:44
From James M Branum : Thank you
everyone! Deeply inspiring. And Jane,
thank you for being you. You've been an inspiration to me for many, many years.
21:10:47
From Kate Harris : ☮️
21:10:53
From John Kim : Thank you for all your
work for peace!
21:10:54
From Dana Moss : BRAVO!!!!
21:11:34
From Doug Hostetter : Thanks, everyone,
this has been amazing
21:11:35
From Ann Froines : Wonderful session
from another antiwar old-timer,
21:11:38
From Norman Stockwell to
Hosts and panelists : Thanks Holly, Jane, and Dave - Great to see you
all!
21:11:39
From Dale Herman : Thank you so much.
21:11:39
From Sherrie Rosenberg : Thank you for
all of your dedicated work and I appreciate that you will send the chat.
21:11:56
From Donald Kollisch : Thank you,
Holly. Could not have made it through
without you. Especially “it could have been me”
21:12:09
From Marianne Schneller : Thank you
all. Peace
21:12:15
From Sean Douglas to
Hosts and panelists : Thanks for revealing the truth all. VietNam vet
21:12:32
From Steve Talbot : Jane -- Fog of War
is a brilliant film. I once interviewed Kissinger who almost walked out. I
lured him back by saying I’d just interviewed McNamara. And to my shock
Kissinger started to do a fake cry, saying "oh, boo hoo," mocking
McNamara for saying he regretted the war. It was a display I'll never forget.
Kissinger never apologized for his war crimes.
21:12:38
From Elizabeth Gaines to
Hosts and panelists : No equivalency between what happens to Jews and
any
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