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17:02:41 From Steve Wasserman to All panelists : Steve Wasserman here in Berkeley giving a shoutout to all.
17:04:44 From Al Glatkowski to All panelists : Hi John, thank you for the invite
17:05:53 From Al Glatkowski : thank you
17:05:55 From Stephen Spitz : Absolutely agree that it is better and more faithful to the truth than Sorkin’s movie.
17:05:59 From Isaac Kirk-Davidoff to All panelists : Sorkin's version was painful to watch
17:06:06 From susan luraschi to All panelists : I have seen both films.
17:06:19 From Michael Kaufman : Hello from occupied Ohlone land, Oakland, CA
17:06:22 From Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : Sorkin's version was painful to watch
17:06:36 From Edward Hasbrouck : +1. Better movie, and truer to the facts.
17:06:38 From Andrea Raila to All panelists : Hello from Chicago!
17:06:43 From Adam Cooper : Adam from NYC
17:06:50 From Paul Soglin to All panelists : And do we agree with the Pentagon as to what date constitutes the 50th Anniversary?
17:06:52 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : These webinars are great! I’m connecting with 60s’ people again and many others!
17:06:53 From Karin San Juan : On Chat we can see only “panelists” and “panelists and attendees” not individual participants.
17:07:02 From Anne Herbert to All panelists : Thank you so much for making the "Chicago 8" available for us, easy to access to watch for free. MUCH APPRECIATED
17:07:03 From Randal Kleiser : I agree! Jeremy Kagan's version is better and more accurate
17:07:11 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Nice to be here - we’re tuning in from Toronto from The Global Sunrise Project - www.theglobalsunriseproject.com
17:07:14 From Steve Wasserman : Steve Wasserman here in Berkeley giving a shoutout to everyone and to affirm the superiority, both dramatically and historically, of the Kagan film. Looking forward to the discussion.
17:07:16 From Holly Baumann : Holly here, living in San Diego, California
17:07:36 From Karin San Juan : Karin Aguilar-San Juan, co-editor with Frank Joyce of THE PEOPLE MAKE THE PEACE: LESSONS FROM THE VIETNAM ANTIWAR MOVEMENT. Hi John!
17:07:40 From Eddie Eitches : Truer to the facts but not a more compelling film.
17:07:55 From Terry Murray to All panelists : Terry Murray from Toronto here.
17:08:06 From Gary Gordon : Gary Gordon from Gainesville FL checking in. I think it's fine to diminish the Sorkin film.
17:09:17 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : It’s amazing that we keep on going on. Long distance runners!!!
17:09:20 From Ronald Mendel to All panelists : Among the strengths of the1987 depiction of the trial is that it not draws on interviews of the protagonists but features them on screen.
17:10:10 From Hal Muskat to All panelists : Hello all! Hal Muskat here, Vet’s For Peace, from someplace near SF
17:10:33 From Michael Kaufman : What happened to Judge Hoffman after the trial and the reversals of the verdicts?
17:10:36 From Bill HARTZOG : Bill Hartzog here: I’ve been contacted by a Queens University prof who is interested in reaching draft resisters who found refuge in Canada; you may contact me if you’re interested.
17:10:49 From Edward Hasbrouck : Here's my small footnote to the sotry. I wonder if others remember Eric Weinbeger? https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002548.html
17:11:54 From John McAuliff : To see the program and bios, go here https://tinyurl.com/Chi8web
17:11:57 From Holly Baumann : Bill Hartzog: I'm still in touch with a friend who fits your criterion. How do I contact you?
17:12:18 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : If you need background on August 1968 see http://chicago68.com
17:12:52 From Stephen Spitz : There was a permit issued for the rally at the Grant Park bandshell on the afternoon of August 28, 1968. I was there.
17:13:08 From Hal Muskat : Is there a choice to view everyone online?
17:13:29 From Holly Baumann : Not usually during a webinar...
17:13:52 From Bill HARTZOG : Bill Hartzog:<whartzog.avocat@gmail.com>
17:13:59 From Hal Muskat : Thx Holly
17:14:33 From Stephen Spitz : It was a planned police action.
17:16:09 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : I love crossing state Ines with the intent of doing democracy!
17:16:12 From Edward Hasbrouck : @BillHartzog - Suggest you contact Joe Jones, joseph.jones@ubc.ca. I also have a mailing list of folks interested in the draft, then and now, inc. some in Canada. Contact me at edward@hasbrouck.org - More here: http://resisters.info
17:16:16 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Agreed Sorkin’s film was terrible. MyMother was a juror. We lived thru 5 months of a police state. Mo Mom kept a journal and was a dissenting juror. I can explain the verdict. The jury is always left out. Hoffman refused hung jury notices and they jury was threatened by the marshals telling them they would be kept there til they reached a verdict. He also denied them transcripts. My Mother was afraid if he eventually accepted a hung jury, they would be retried. She felt she betrayed herself because she wanted them innocent on all counts. She testified at the special hearings and told the truth. This was after she had given an interview to John Schultz in Evergreen magazine. Studs Terkel wrote her a letter thanking her for her courage and honesty. I have curated an exhibit about the trail and her ordeal.
17:18:49 From Stephen Spitz : Marjorie: Where did you go to high school?
17:19:09 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Maine West in Des Plaines, IL
17:19:24 From Sue Udry to All panelists : Marjorie, where is your exhibit?
17:19:29 From Anne Herbert to All panelists : @majorie is your exhibit online (I am in Australia)
17:19:45 From Stephen Spitz : Your name sounded familiar. I went to Niles West in Skokie.
17:21:30 From Stephen Spitz : Thank you Jeremy for insisting on the truth!
17:22:06 From ML Levine : To Michael Kaufman: About Judge Hoffman (from Appendix B to “The Trial of the Chicago 7: The Official Transcript” by Levine, Greenberg and McNamee: “Judge Hoffman retired from active service in February 1972, taking senior status andhearing less complicated cases. ... In 1982, following lawyers’ complaints that he was drowsy on the bench and erratic, the district court’s executive committee ordered that no new cases be assigned to him. He continued going to his chambers daily until his death in 1983. …”
17:23:35 From Holly Baumann : Thanks Bill for your email address. I'll be in touch.
17:24:46 From Stephen Spitz : Thanks for refusing to make stuff up unlike Aaron Sorkin.
17:25:38 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : Some of the story of juror Jean Fritz is told in the book by John Schultz, The Conspiracy Trial of the Chicago Seven https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo73973826.html
17:25:55 From Anne Herbert to All panelists : @ Jeremy, Really appreciate you posting those interviews as well as the movie Jeremy
17:26:27 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Your movie was what everyone needs to see. I only wish the jury hadn’t been left out.
17:27:09 From Roberta Wall : Danny Greenberg, are you on this call?
17:27:17 From Marilyn Golden to All panelists : I just came onto zoom. Pls share the link for the page of those interviews with Abbie Hoffman etc. (sorry to be late)
17:27:46 From Martha Kirpes to All panelists : Bill Hartzog, I suggest trying to contact James L. Pease, an Iowa State University emeritus professor of animal ecology. He was also appointed in the Iowa State University Extension Service where I worked for him as a 4H Program Assistant. That's how I know from him some of his story of being a war resister/conscientious objector who went to Canada. I don't have current contact information, but perhaps the emeritus prof info will be of help.
17:27:49 From Al Glatkowski : Please put the website here in the chat
17:28:01 From Hal Muskat : Awesome scene! Very well done.
17:29:42 From Edward Hasbrouck : For the story of the jury, see John Schultz, "Motion Will Be Denied".
17:29:53 From Bill HARTZOG : To Marjorie Fritz-Birch: could you send a link or reference re “I have curated an exhibit about the trail and her ordeal.”
17:30:32 From Karin San Juan : What is the lesson to be drawn from the awful treatment of Bobby Seale for the mostly white antiwar movement (including probably everyone watching this webinar)?
17:30:37 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Abbie Hoffman said of the era that it will never happen again…it was Abbie’s last speech in 1989.
17:30:59 From Anne Herbert : Jeremy's very valuable site that he is talking about is https://conspiracythetrialofthechicago8theofficialunofficialsite.com/
17:31:27 From Stephen Spitz : Thank you for calling out Sorkin for falsely depicting David Dellinger.
17:31:27 From Linda Dittmar to All panelists : great comments, Jeremy, for all of us to remember.
17:32:38 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : The Edgewater Historical Society west and facebook page. There is a link to My Mothers’s journal and the Evergreen Magazine interview. My Mother was Jean Fritz The exhibit is called The Chicago Conspiracy Trial. one juror’s ordeal. There is a video of my exhibit.
17:32:41 From Elaine Butler McCarthy : I THINK Wexler’s 1969 film “Medium Cool” included real footage of police riot in Chicago with protesters shouting “The Whole World Is Watching” — anyone know?
17:33:03 From Jacek Laskus, ASC, PSC to All panelists : yes it did
17:33:09 From Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : Coach Stu Ball! World Fellowship fam!
17:33:10 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : GenZ here :)
17:33:20 From Edward Hasbrouck : https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/mary-schmich/ct-met-schmich-chicago-7-fritz-20201015-qctntqcnsfaa5mcgtsntvm64um-story.html
17:33:37 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Would love to connect with peace activists from the 70
17:33:39 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : s
17:33:43 From Stephen Spitz : Correct about Medium Cool. Actual footage mixed with fictional plot.
17:33:44 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : onward
17:33:57 From Edward Hasbrouck : Jean Fritz and the Chicago 7 Trial (Loyola U. Archives): https://www.luc.edu/wla/stories/archive/jeanfritzandthechicagoseventrial.shtml
17:34:02 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : My next documentary - https://www.theglobalsunriseproject.com/1-5degreesofpeace
17:34:29 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Feel free to connect with us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasha-sequoia-slavner-64b83a70/
17:35:02 From Stewart Shevin : Please post Kagen’s historical website he referenced with defendant clips.
17:35:48 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Kay Stevens was the juror and that was a lie. She did not do that
17:36:02 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : It’s a world of difference this time… no military draft… No massive youth movement coming out of the staid 50s and early 60s.
17:36:03 From ROBIN MENKEN to All panelists : jeremy Great work as usual Robin Mneken Mcdonald
17:36:17 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Thank you Stu
17:36:43 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : Haskell Wexler's Medium Cool was filmed while the DNC rallies and demonstrations were going on.
17:36:54 From John McAuliff : This is the link to Jeremy's web site https://conspiracythetrialofthechicago8theofficialunofficialsite.com/
17:37:59 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Mass incarceration and militarized police present a different kind of racism.
17:38:25 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : thank you for the telling the truth about my father, David Dellinger.
17:38:31 From Ronald Mendel to All panelists : I don't think it is right to pin the responsibility to bring about social change to one generation; it's the responsibility of all empathetic people regardless of age.
17:39:36 From Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : i love this story
17:39:37 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : "Motion Will Be Denied" was re-published, with some new material, as "Conspiracy Trial of the Chicago Seven"
17:41:07 From Stephen Spitz : Seventh Circuit not Third Circuit.
17:41:36 From Ted Lieverman : Think he means Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals?
17:41:51 From ROBIN MENKEN : did you reach out to my Ex Country Joe to participate?
17:42:02 From Stephen Spitz : Yes. Seventh Circuit.
17:42:06 From Barbara Joye to All panelists : Kay Stevens did not do what? Hard to keep up with this dialogue, but appreciate it.
17:43:09 From Steven Rosen to All panelists : Does Jeremy know where to see the movie Katherine?
17:43:15 From Holly Baumann : @ Robin Menk… (your last name is truncated on my screen) do you remember Bill Little? If so, he died from cancer a few years ago (I'm his ex)
17:43:24 From david eberhardt to All panelists : FR DAVE Eberhardt, BALTIMORE 4- PLEAE MENTION THE KINGS BAY PLOWSHARES 7 WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?
17:43:49 From Gary Gordon : Robin Menken... Hi. (Gary Gordon)
17:44:49 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : Lee Weiner's memoir is Conspiracy to Riot: The Life and Times of One of the Chicago 7 https://beltpublishing.com/products/conspiracy-to-riot
17:44:58 From Jeremy Kagan to All panelists : Katherine can be seen on Amazon - with Sissy Spacek and Art Carney
17:45:32 From Barbara Joye to All panelists : Sound out
17:45:35 From Pau Cortes to All panelists : Is the sound working
17:46:06 From Jeremy Kagan to Steven Rosen and all panelists : Hi there Steven - you can see Katherine via Amazon -
17:46:14 From Pau Cortes to All panelists : -“People identify bobby’s travail and the hideousness” was where it cut off
17:46:21 From Roberta Wall : Last word we heard was “hideous”, and we needed to take that in, deeply, the traumatizing of the black body in America thaw were witness to.
17:46:47 From Steven Rosen to All panelists : Thank you, Jeremy, and I’ve always loved The Big Fix.
17:47:32 From Karin San Juan : @Roberta Wall, thank you for that insight.
17:47:53 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you Anne Herbert
17:48:05 From Stephen Spitz : The gas in Chicago was not pleasant but also not long lasting.
17:48:19 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : I think of Vietnam napalm bomb survivor Kim Phuc who I interviewed for my last film. I can’t help, as a GenZ, hope my generation will gravitate towards the peace movement the way most of your generation did to protest the Vietnam war!
17:49:25 From Michael Padwee : Hi Holly—thanks for the heads up on this.
17:49:41 From Ronald Mendel to All panelists : The gagging and chaining of Bobby Seale was symbolic of the US's attempt to subjugate African Americans, and his resistance symbolised their defiance and dignity.
17:49:53 From Peter Kuttner : Two short films about Fred Hampton Produced in Chicago on the 20th Anniversary of his assassination"Power to the People" [1989 | 26 minutes]https://vimeo.com/66480544
"Power to the People" speaks with Black, Latinx and white activists who were influenced by Fred Hampton and the Illinois Black Panther Party. They recall the late 1960s and how the Panther experience still affects their current community work. In doing so, they tell the story of the IL Party and the murder and how it led to the empowerment of Chicago's African-American communities and the election of Chicago's first black mayor, Harold Washington, in 1983.
"Right On: A Friend Remembers Fred Hampton" [1989 |18 minutes] https://vimeo.com/68449275 Veteran community activist Jorja English Palmer [1930-2005] talks of the events of 1948-1969 which led Fred Hampton to the leadership of the Illinois Black Panther Party and to his murder by Chicago police as part of the FBI's secret counter intelligence program - COINTELPRO,
17:49:54 From David Finke, Oberlin OH : I'd be glad to correspond with anyone for my view and part in all this. I was "Peace Education Sec'y" of the Midwest Office of American Friends Service Committee. Our office was a block from the federal courthouse. It was fairly easy to attend. Fortuitously, I was there for some of the time that Bobby was bound and gagged. Truly appalling! I personally protested by putting on a gag and walking around and around the courthouse. (On AFSC staff 1967-73, working mostly with draft resisters and providing draft counseling downtown and in 30 different community sites. Write me here: dhfinke@gmail.com.
Incidentally, a classmate of Rennie's at Oberlin College. He signed me up in the "Progressive Student League," a component of what became SDS.
17:50:24 From Roberta Wall : There is a film, the Murder of Fred Hampton.
17:51:05 From Hal Muskat to All panelists : I was thinking of you a mere hour ago Corrina!
17:52:03 From Peter Kuttner : “The Murder of Fred Hampton” film https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Fred-Hampton-Howard-Alk/dp/B006VRCMWK
17:52:15 From Karin San Juan : @Peter Kuttner, thx for the vimeo links on Fred Hampton.
17:53:08 From Ronald Mendel to All panelists : There is also an episode in "Eyes on The Prize" on the assassination of Fred Hampton.
17:54:18 From Paul Morrow : David in Oberlin, I’d be glad to connect with you. I teach at the Human Rights Center at the University of Dayton, and have been working with undergraduates to research the impact of the anti-war movement on campus. Oberlin is a different place from Dayton, to be sure (not least because Wright Patterson AFB is right down the road from us.) I’ve always wondered what the Ohio-area networks in the anti-war movement looked like. Reach me at pmorrow1@udayton.edu, or view the student research at www.vietnamlegacies.com
17:54:45 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : no thank you John I am in a car on my phone, it would be difficult
17:55:49 From Peter Kuttner : More film on Chairman Fred Hampton and the Rainbow Coalition: “American Revolution 2” https://vimeo.com/351632080 Although “American Revolution 2” begins with footage of the explosive confrontations between the Chicago police and protestors during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the filmmakers (Howard Alk, Mike Gray, and Bill Cottle) quickly move from these clashes to focus on conversations about power, race, and resistance that were taking place in the city. The film is a nuanced, compelling, and timely examination of the unlikely relationship that was developing between the Black Power movement in Chicago and the Young Patriots, a group of impoverished, primarily white, residents of the Uptown neighborhood who were beginning to organize around issues of social mobility, police brutality, and income inequity.
17:56:05 From Judith Ezekiel to All panelists : To David Finke and Peter Kuttner: The Bulleys were AFSC in Toledo and then Dayton Ohio. They are both dead, but their daughters are alive and Julien Bulley’s archives are in Toledo I think.
17:57:37 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you for your honesty and passion Corinna Fales
17:57:51 From Judith Ezekiel to All panelists : Oops, I meant Paul Morrow. BTW Paul, my book _Feminism in the Heartland_ talks a bit about the anti-war movement. And some of my archives at Wright State address the movement
17:58:07 From Karin San Juan : I’m wondering about the word “predator” in association with Black lesbians in prison?
17:58:15 From Peter Kuttner : “The First Rainbow Coalition” [2019] In 1969, the Chicago Black Panther Party began to form alliances across lines of race and ethnicity with other community-based movements in the city, including the Latino group the Young Lords Organization and the southern whites of the Young Patriots. Banding together in one of the most segregated cities in postwar America to collectively confront issues such as police brutality and substandard housing, they called themselves the Rainbow Coalition. The First Rainbow Coalition tells the movement’s little-known story through rare archival footage and interviews with former coalition members in present-day.
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/the-first-rainbow-coalition/
17:58:16 From Roberta Wall : Thank you for this courageous and insightful sharing, Corinna. No apologies needed from you, we celebrate you!
17:58:17 From Tom D'Antoni to All panelists : I was arrested in Frederick MD on my way back from a Strategy Action Conference in Madiison for having a bumper sticker that read, "Fuck for Peace."
17:59:08 From Judy Gumbo : I think both movies are needed & I am grateful to John for organizing 2 webinars. With my late husband Stew Albert I attended and worked at the Trial. I was friends with all the defendants and their lawyers. For me, Sorkin’s is the major motion picture Abbie always wanted; and appeals especially to millennials today; Kagan’s is a serious movie that has its audience especially in those looking for inaccuracies and are seeking to correct Sorkin’s film. Bill Kunstler and Lenny Weinglass wrote the introduction to my long out of print book The Conspiracy Trial, the first book to contain the entire transcript plus motions. So - I may be a minority opinion here but I for one am glad the Chicago defendants and supporters are back in the limelight of resistance, no matter in which film we show up. And even if, like us women, we don’t .Judy Gumbo. www.yippiegirl.com
17:59:23 From Todd Gitlin : Thank you, Corinna. You are exemplary.
17:59:28 From Roberta Wall : @Corinna Fales, where in NC do you live? Iive inAsheville.
17:59:32 From Hal Muskat : Corrina! Thank you.
17:59:43 From ROBIN MENKEN : to Holly So sorry to hear that
17:59:48 From Jeremy Kagan to All panelists : thank you Corrina for sharing and insights
18:00:04 From Ronald Mendel to All panelists : A thought provoking talk, Corinna.
18:00:06 From ROBIN MENKEN : yo Gary still organizing?
18:00:07 From Bill HARTZOG : BILL HARTZOG: AMEN CORINNA!
18:00:14 From Barry Lynn : Extraordinary reflection Corrina.
18:00:21 From Doris Friedensohn to All panelists : Go. Corinna. Paul L
18:00:26 From Frank Joyce : Thank you Corrina that was very valuable.
18:01:01 From Gary Gordon : Robin... working on two novels. Cindy is still doing political work. Miss you.
18:01:10 From Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: Do you remember him?
18:01:18 From david eberhardt to All panelists : TOO MUCH WAR STORIES- WHAT TACTIX FOR NOw????
18:01:48 From Steve Wasserman : Admire your fearless truth-telling, Corinna. I don’t hold with the view that to see a distorted reflection of our own faces in a film, i.e. Sorkin’s, in the hope that it will appeal to a younger generation, is sufficient to overlook its numerous and distorting flaws. Such a view insults the intelligence of millennials, assuming as it does that somehow a self-serving myth is needed to engage their interest.
18:01:53 From Hal Muskat : For those who don’t know, Corrina Fales worked at the United States Serviceman’s Fund after Chicago. USSF existed to support anti war members of the Armed Forces. USSF raised money to pay the rent at our Coffee Houses, for our printing costs. She mailed us packets each week of incredible information from OTHER bases where anti war GI’s were organizing.
18:02:28 From Hal Muskat : Corrina Fales has been a hero of mine for 50 years. GREAT to see you here!
18:02:39 From Holly Baumann : Does anyone know how long this is scheduled to last?
18:02:47 From Marita Rivero : Thank you Corinna for speaking truth. Many layers here we need to understand. YES, my sister,
18:02:48 From Holly Baumann : I mean the webinar itself
18:03:00 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Abbie had great idealism , supreme intelligence, and warts like the rest of us.
18:03:51 From Stephen Spitz : Is Bobby Seale going to speak? I would certainly be interested in what he has to say.
18:04:22 From Corinna Fales to Marita Rivero and all panelists : I love you!
18:04:41 From John McAuliff : Bobby is the next speaker
18:04:52 From Al Glatkowski : Corinna, I live in Duck, NC. I am a member of VVAW/Old School Sappers & Veterans For Peace. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do. I was one of the mutineers who stopped Napalm during the war in SE Asia. All Power To The People! and Respect to you
18:05:01 From Stephen Spitz : Thank you John.
18:05:11 From Judy Gumbo to All panelists : Corinna: Great speech - thank you! can you give me the names of the other 3 women unindicted co’s? I’d appreciate it. yippiegirl@gmail.com.
18:05:18 From Roberta Wall : Where is Duck,NC? I I’ve in Asheville.
18:05:25 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you Stephen
18:05:42 From Hal Muskat : Hi Al. Hope you all healthy & still giggling!
18:05:43 From Stephen Spitz : Duck is in the Outer Banks on the ocean.
18:06:02 From Al Glatkowski : HO Ho Ho!
18:06:08 From Roberta Wall : Nice. I”m in the mountains….
18:06:09 From Corinna Fales to Judy Gumbo and all panelists : two others - but I don t know if they want ot b indentified, Judy
18:06:11 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Abbie had to live with the reality of his protest coming up against Reaganism in the end.
18:06:44 From Al Glatkowski : my email is aglatkowskiyahoo.com
18:06:50 From ROBIN MENKEN : trying to remeber Bill. tell em more
18:07:10 From Mark Solomons to All panelists : I saw Abbie as Stand up comic at Other Cafe in SF.
18:07:15 From jeff kisseloff : I was one of the last people who interviewed Abbie. He said he was s urprised he was still alive and was very very down.
18:07:31 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you Michael L, excellent
18:07:32 From Barbara Garson to All panelists : Corinna, It's Barbara Garson, I didn't go to Chicago because I suspected Tom would use us, if he could, to bargain with some faction of the Democratic party. Mind you I hardly knew Tom and I was obviously wrong. I wonder what made him seem like a manipulator to me. But enough of this. You and I knew each other so long ago that we didn't even have email then. Contact me at bagarson@yahoo.com .
18:07:36 From Mark Solomons to All panelists : he was promoting anti contra in Nicaragua
18:07:40 From Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: He spent the night once with the ex of Country Joe (I never knew her name; was it you?)
18:07:41 From ROBIN MENKEN : So sad that Saul and Haskell are gone
18:07:46 From david eberhardt to All panelists : FR DAVE EBERHARDT- WHAT R U DOING NOW????
18:08:05 From Al Glatkowski : We are all getting old
18:08:18 From ROBIN MENKEN : embarrassing , possibly need to see a picture. I was pretty wild
18:08:28 From Corinna Fales to david eberhardt and all panelists : hey dave :)
18:08:41 From Mark Solomons to All panelists : @ Robin Saul...Landau?
18:08:48 From Judy Gumbo to All panelists : Thanks Corinna: I appreciate your discretion.
18:09:02 From Al Glatkowski : All Power To The People!
18:09:04 From Stephen Spitz : Roberta: My sister lives in New York City and is a musician. She was supposed to be an artist in residence this summer in the mountains near Asheville but the pandemic happened. I was planning to visit her and will if she does it.
18:09:23 From Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: Probably 1970, relatively early in the year, slim chance late 1969?
18:09:54 From ROBIN MENKEN : Yo Carl. you . Remember Ann Bowen’s friend Robin Menken Pitschel Players
18:10:04 From Al Glatkowski : Ha, Ha, Ha, sorry but love that visual.
18:10:49 From Karin San Juan : the gag was mummifying
18:11:32 From Doug Gerash : Thank you for your courage, Al Glatkowski!
18:12:44 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : My Mother was shaking and crying in the jury booth when this was happening. She wrote about it in her journal and was beyond upset. The trial was a life changing experience for her. Never trusted the government again and became a life long liberal
18:13:04 From Karin San Juan : the gagging scene involves the guard punching Bobby
18:13:49 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Bobby Seale: History called out your name and you knew exactly what to do…
18:13:52 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : yes we were all horrified, upset and angry
18:14:13 From Karin San Juan : You hit me in my balls motherfucker!
18:14:18 From david eberhardt to All panelists : WHWER R THE YUTES O TODAY RE REPUBLICANS?
18:14:30 From Al Glatkowski : Jesus Christ, Bobby, can totally relate. Geronimo and I were in solitary together when in LA Max
18:14:34 From Karin San Juan : “Goliath"
18:14:45 From Karin San Juan : “Arizona”
18:15:47 From Karin San Juan : three forms of gagging
18:16:17 From Karin San Juan : great imitation of the judge
18:16:35 From Karin San Juan : acting in the manner of a free person
18:16:38 From Al Glatkowski : Speaking truth power. thank you Bobby
18:16:42 From Roberta Wall : I am honored to bear witness to Bobby’s words and truth telling.
18:17:31 From Stephen Spitz : Riveting Bobby!
18:17:49 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : So important to keep this story alive because it’s still happening today. So sad.
18:17:54 From Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : so much work to do to counter COINTELPRO still
18:18:18 From Barbara Garson to All panelists : Robin Menken,Good lord. Hi from Barbara Garson. Robin, Ann Bowen is very ill and would probably love a phone call from you. Barbara
18:18:33 From Gary Gordon : Question re Sorkin's film and the truth: Was Hampton at the trial? Rennie wrote in his facebook essays he wasn't, and several people in the previous webinar said they don't remember Hampton being there and the suggestion implied in the Sorkin film that Hampton "coaching" Seale was the reason for the gagging was inaccurate.
18:18:46 From Al Glatkowski : yes, you won.
18:18:50 From Judith Ezekiel to All panelists : I would like to hear Bobby Seale talk about his relationship to the others. The Sorkin shows no relationship whatsoever.
18:18:55 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : So many lessons that young activists can learn from our elders.
18:19:33 From Judy Gumbo to All panelists : No, Hampton was not at the Trial coaching Bobby. He did bodyguard Bobby when Bobby spoke in Lincoln Park.
18:19:38 From Terry Murray to All panelists : This is small potatoes but I saw my parents' Red Squad files a few years ago. and mine - I was 16 yrs old when I got my Red Squad file
18:20:15 From Stephen Spitz : Jeff Fort: Blackstone Ranger?
18:20:42 From Dean Blobaum to All panelists : Yes, the Hampton character in the Sorkin film raises questions. Also: did Fred participate in defendant strategy meetings?
18:20:52 From Judy Gumbo : Fred Hampton was not to my knowledge at the Trial. He didn’t coach Bobby as Sorkin’s film portrays. He did bodyguard Bobby when Bobby spoke in Lincoln Park.
18:20:59 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Fred Hampton was never at the trial and he was murdered a month and half after Bobby Seale was taken off the trial.
18:21:18 From Hal Muskat : The best dramatic representation of what Bobby went though, (not to throw shade on this movie) was in the San Francisco Mime Troupe’s “Seize The Time,” portrayal of the trial. Each time the marshals would grab Bobby, the “motion” on stage slowed to painfully slow as the brutality was played out.
18:21:40 From Stephen Spitz : Fred Hampton was murdered on December 4, 1969.
18:22:15 From Barbara Garson : Robin Menkin, Wow! Robin, Ann Bowen is very sick. She could use a call from anyone who rmembers her as the great director she is. Barbara
18:22:18 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : That type of coalition is happening now.
18:23:11 From ROBIN MENKEN : YIKES IM ON IT ALTHOUGH IM NOT SURE I HAVE NER NUMBER IN The new aprtment
18:24:10 From david eberhardt to All panelists : HOPE PERSONS WILL NOT JUST E B OOSTERISTIC
18:25:06 From Judy Gumbo : Great imitation of J. Edgar Hoover Bobby! Love from Judy Gumbo
18:25:10 From ROBIN MENKEN : barbara can i reach you? Or You could go to Country Joes site and have him forward you my email or vice versa
18:25:33 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Make sure the DEMs win those two seats!!!!
18:26:15 From Barbara Joye to All panelists : Which Barbara?
18:26:23 From Roberta Wall : Bobby Seale, a great American organizer, leader, teacher.
18:26:30 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Such a fear of the word ‘progressive’ should be more fear of the word ‘regressive'.
18:27:18 From Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Thank you Bobby Seak
18:27:22 From Gary Gordon : Thank you, Bobby!
18:27:23 From Bob Meola : Thank you, Bobby!
18:27:47 From ROBIN MENKEN : how about fear of communication and reading
18:28:13 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Ronald Reagan: The man who wanted to make ketchup a school lunch vegetable.
18:28:21 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you for this testimony, Bobby
18:28:51 From ROBIN MENKEN : and Bert Schneider
18:29:00 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : what an honor it is to hear you today Bobby! thank you thank you thank you
18:29:11 From Karin San Juan : @Muskat, did the SF Mime Troupe show on the trial involve Peter Coyote? is there a recording anywhere?
18:29:18 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : #bebravebiden
18:29:20 From Al Glatkowski : Geronimo, finally got out, but he has passed too
18:29:21 From Peter Kuttner : STEPHEN SPITZ: Yes. Jeff Fort was from the Blackstone Rangers. https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/jeff-fort-1947/
18:29:33 From Hal Muskat : Thanks you Bobby!
18:29:55 From Karin San Juan : Wonderful to hear directly from Bobby Seale! Thank you!
18:30:23 From Al Glatkowski : Yes, a cultural hero
18:30:25 From Barbara Garson : Robin, I don't want to put phone number here. I believe she took her old land line number when she moved. If you have trouble, email me at bagarson@yahaoo.com And how are you? I'm embarrassingly fine.
18:30:42 From Hal Muskat : Karen, I don’t remember Coyote in that production. Can’t find a tape of it in online SFMT archives. I’ma gonna make some calls over the weekend.
18:31:31 From ROBIN MENKEN : bless you babe. legally blind blinded 20 years ago by FDA tests. You fierec artist you
18:32:29 From Stephen Spitz : Wow. Jeff Fort was born 8 days after me. I was born on the Southside of Chicago, was a teacher on the Southside, a caseworker on the Southside and went to the University of Chicago Law School on the Southside of Chicago during the years that Jeff Fort led the Blackstone Rangers.
18:32:38 From Kristin Cabral to All panelists : I still own my “Barbeque’n with Bobby” cookbook.
18:33:58 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you Carl, for your witness
18:35:03 From Al Glatkowski : it is in his soul and you represented it well
18:35:26 From Stephen Spitz : Thank you Bobby and Carl!
18:35:32 From Al Glatkowski : and it is ok to cry. all power
18:36:10 From Karin San Juan : a courtroom of justice, a hall of freedom, as a site of racist state violence
18:36:21 From John McAuliff to Jon Wiener(Privately) : Do you want to speak about why Bobby was included in the indictment?
18:37:11 From Jon Wiener to John McAuliff(Privately) : happy to speak briefly but might be better to ask Bobby why he thinks he was indicted.
18:39:11 From Al Glatkowski : Thank you Jeremy Kagan for all you have done
18:39:21 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : All efforts must be directed towards winning the two seats in Georgia right now.
18:39:30 From Al Glatkowski : Yeah, correct
18:39:30 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : thank you Carl for your heart and beautiful words
18:39:30 From Gary Gordon : Will there be any discussion of the contempt charges and the contempt trial in '73 when the defendants and lawyers returned to Chicago to fight those charges/sentences?
18:40:14 From Al Glatkowski : totally right on Bobby, things have change in today’s world
18:40:27 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Plus all around the world in solidarity!!!
18:40:39 From Roberta Wall : There were thousands of us with you in the streets of New Haven Bobby.
18:40:42 From Holly Baumann to All panelists : I need to leave soon. How long do you anticipate this webinar will last?
18:40:47 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Here to in Toronto
18:41:00 From Al Glatkowski : Right Kasha, it has change!
18:41:14 From Barbara Joye to All panelists : Protesters in Atlanta and I’m sure elsewhere have been charged with felony terrorist charges and denied bail. 12 of them.
18:41:57 From ROBIN MENKEN : and Biden need to help reach out to embittered rural whites, to work on rural wif access medical clinics and individual farm support initiatives
18:43:20 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Elders and GenZ - intersectional and intergenerational. There’s no time to waste, climate crisis will level us all. Time for humanity to come together.
18:43:25 From Barbara Joye to All panelists : Thanks Bobby too many of my younger comrades get off on dissing some of the people we need in the coalition.
18:43:40 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : https://www.theglobalsunriseproject.com/1-5degreesofpeace
18:44:03 From Gary Gordon : Bobby, your candidacy in Oakland and Tom's running for office and Julian Bond and Paul Soglin inspired me to run (and win) for City Commission. (Gary Gordon).. When I told the City Manager I campaigned on the buses because I saw a clip of you doing that he 'bout had a heart attack.
18:44:03 From Al Glatkowski : All Power!
18:44:04 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : All these issues are because of greed and lack of imagination.
18:44:05 From ROBIN MENKEN : Right on
18:44:18 From Corinna Fales to Al Glatkowski and all panelists : Hey Duck, NC. Thank you for YOUR service!
18:44:46 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : THRIVE movement
18:44:52 From Judy Gumbo : The Panther’s name for us white supporters was “white mother country radicals.” Based on the Panther’s view that as a colony of white America the Panthers sought out white support. With Black people leading. Like Bobby says, Power to all the People, Panther power to the Vanguard. Thank you Bobby and Carl!
18:44:56 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Poor Peoples Movement
18:44:59 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : BLM
18:45:07 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Fridays for Future.
18:45:15 From Roberta Wall : Please post the email for bobby’s not for profit
18:45:22 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : So many movements - let’s all join together.
18:45:51 From ROBIN MENKEN : localize government. grassroots! starve out the federal corporate complicity at the top, everywhere.
18:46:29 From ROBIN MENKEN : cpmplementary money -localize economies
18:53:02 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : @judy gumbo - didn’t know you were born in Toronto - where do you live now?
18:53:58 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Solidarity and connections among protest movements and movements for social uplift are essential!
18:54:19 From Judy Gumbo : Berkeley CA
18:55:06 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Thanks.
18:55:58 From Jim Barton : chicagohistory.org/the-whole-world-is-watching
18:56:06 From Judy Gumbo : Sure - RU in Toronto ???
18:56:14 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : That was powerful!
18:56:23 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Yes - based here but advocate everywhere :)
18:56:37 From Jim Barton : Did the juror's daughter refer us to this site?
18:56:46 From Andrea Raila : Great testimony Marjorie Fritz Birch! Your mom is an unsung heroine I will look her journals up at Loyola University God bless
18:57:11 From Anne Herbert : Can a website, if any, for Marjorie's exhibition of her mother's experience and perspectives be posted here please?
18:57:20 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Still no reparations for Vietnam.
18:57:58 From Judy Gumbo : I’m delighted you advocate everywhere. Check out my website www.yippiegirl.com and keep up your great work!
18:58:09 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : I interviewed Kim Phuc for my last film. She lives here in Canada
18:58:10 From Andrea Raila : From Edward Hasbrouck to Everyone: 04:33 PM
Jean Fritz and the Chicago 7 Trial (Loyola U. Archives): https://www.luc.edu/wla/stories/archive/jeanfritzandthechicagoseventrial.shtml
18:58:54 From Karin San Juan : great clip! the judge is so hateful. Dave D is so dignified
18:58:55 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : thank you Jeremy!
18:59:29 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : @judy - I did, my mom sent me your website on the last webinar and I check you out. Pretty cool!
18:59:38 From Judy Gumbo : Kasha and Maria: you can contact me thru my website www.yippiegirl.com I’d like to hear more!
19:00:12 From Edward Hasbrouck : Tyhe movment for youth liberation has also been largely forgotten.
19:00:14 From Jeremy Kagan to Natasha Dellinger Singer and all panelists : So glad to be able to share some of the truth about your father.
19:00:19 From Judy Gumbo : You are pretty cool yourself!
19:00:33 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : The government and media have disappeared the antiwar movement. Push back!
19:00:41 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Here’s my email - theglobalsunriseproject@gmail.com - my next film is on the climate crisis and peace movement.
19:01:16 From Al Glatkowski : Thank all of you, John and your incredible group, for putting this all together. I am currently working to pull together some of the olde VVAW (Old School Sappers) together for a weekly or more frequently, international call with these comrades
19:01:20 From Roberta Wall : They killed Martin Luther King after he spoke out against the Vietnam War
19:01:46 From Steve Wasserman : Tom Hayden’s last book was “Hell No: The Forgotten Power of the Vietnam Peace Movement,” which I edited and published at Yale University Press.
19:02:28 From Karin San Juan : See more from John McAuliff, Judy Gumbo, Rennie Davis, Frank Joyce here:
19:02:29 From Karin San Juan : https://justworldbooks.com/books-by-title/people-make-peace/
19:02:39 From Judy Gumbo : Thank you Kasha & Maria - let’s keep in touch!
19:02:58 From Al Glatkowski : It’s a crazy call, like rounding up feral cats, but very worth it. thank you all again! As Bobby says, All Power to ALL the People!
19:02:59 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Yes, that would be great - thanks @judy!
19:03:28 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Love her!
19:03:36 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : Jeremy, we watched your film when my daughter was 12 years old. we were so upset when we watched Sorkin’s film, and she said to me she remembered watching your film as a family and we were happy with it! I was surprised she remembered.
19:03:38 From Weldon Nisly to All panelists : Thanks to John and everyone then and now for this tragic and defining antiwar movement!
19:05:22 From Norman Stockwell : Thank you everyone for a great program.
19:05:43 From Karin San Juan : Thank you everyone for work toward peace and ending war!
19:05:44 From Jon Wiener : thanks everybody!
19:05:47 From Elaine Butler McCarthy : thank you to everyone connected to this webinar and to the film and to the movment: all power to all the people indeed
19:05:48 From Natasha Dellinger Singer to All panelists : thank you John for doing this.
19:05:55 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : Thanks so much1
19:05:56 From Kasha&Marla Slavner : !
19:05:57 From Barbara Garson : I worked in one of the anti war G.I. coffee houses. Anti war GIs were so frightening to the government that for years they avoided conflicts for fear of the "Vietnam syndrome". Their eventual solution was the volunteer army. So yes, it's the movement they'd like Americans to forget. Barbara Garson
19:06:06 From Howard Lisnoff to All panelists : Who Spoke Up… great history of antiwar protest.
19:06:13 From Hal Muskat : Where did you work Barbara?
19:06:14 From Judy Gumbo : hey Barbara G!
19:06:18 From Steve Wasserman : Thanks to all who organized, participated, and attended this indispensable webinar.
19:06:22 From Al Glatkowski : good night!
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