Chat Q & A from Chicago 8 Webinar

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17:02:41 From  Steve Wasserman   to   All panelists : Steve Wasserman here in Berkeley giving a shoutout to all.

17:04:44 From  Al Glatkowski   to   All panelists : Hi John, thank you for the invite

17:05:53 From  Al Glatkowski : thank you

17:05:55 From  Stephen Spitz : Absolutely agree that it is better and more faithful to the truth than Sorkin’s movie.

17:05:59 From  Isaac Kirk-Davidoff   to   All panelists : Sorkin's version was painful to watch

17:06:06 From  susan luraschi   to   All panelists : I have seen both films.

17:06:19 From  Michael Kaufman : Hello from occupied Ohlone land, Oakland, CA

17:06:22 From  Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : Sorkin's version was painful to watch

17:06:36 From  Edward Hasbrouck : +1. Better movie, and truer to the facts.

17:06:38 From  Andrea Raila   to   All panelists : Hello from Chicago!

17:06:43 From  Adam Cooper : Adam from NYC

17:06:50 From  Paul Soglin   to   All panelists : And do we agree with the Pentagon as to what date constitutes the 50th Anniversary?

17:06:52 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : These webinars are great! I’m connecting with 60s’ people again and many others!

17:06:53 From  Karin San Juan : On Chat we can see only “panelists” and “panelists and attendees” not individual participants.

17:07:02 From  Anne Herbert   to   All panelists : Thank you so much for making the "Chicago 8" available for us, easy to access to watch for free. MUCH APPRECIATED

17:07:03 From  Randal Kleiser : I agree!  Jeremy Kagan's version is better and more accurate

17:07:11 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Nice to be here - we’re tuning in from Toronto from The Global Sunrise Project - www.theglobalsunriseproject.com

17:07:14 From  Steve Wasserman : Steve Wasserman here in Berkeley giving a shoutout to everyone and to affirm the superiority, both dramatically and historically, of the Kagan film. Looking forward to the discussion.

17:07:16 From  Holly Baumann : Holly here, living in San Diego, California

17:07:36 From  Karin San Juan : Karin Aguilar-San Juan, co-editor with Frank Joyce of THE PEOPLE MAKE THE PEACE: LESSONS FROM THE VIETNAM ANTIWAR MOVEMENT. Hi John!

17:07:40 From  Eddie Eitches : Truer to the facts but not a more compelling film.  

17:07:55 From  Terry Murray   to   All panelists : Terry Murray from Toronto here.

17:08:06 From  Gary Gordon : Gary Gordon from Gainesville FL checking in.  I think it's fine to diminish the Sorkin film.

17:09:17 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : It’s amazing that we keep on going on. Long distance runners!!!

17:09:20 From  Ronald Mendel   to   All panelists : Among the strengths of the1987 depiction of the trial is that it not draws on interviews of the protagonists but features them on screen. 

17:10:10 From  Hal Muskat   to   All panelists : Hello all! Hal Muskat here, Vet’s For Peace, from someplace near SF

17:10:33 From  Michael Kaufman : What happened to Judge Hoffman after the trial and the reversals of the verdicts?

17:10:36 From  Bill HARTZOG : Bill Hartzog here: I’ve been contacted by a Queens University prof who is interested in reaching draft resisters who found refuge in Canada; you may contact me if you’re interested.

17:10:49 From  Edward Hasbrouck : Here's my small footnote to the sotry. I wonder if others remember Eric Weinbeger? https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002548.html

17:11:54 From  John McAuliff : To see the program and bios, go here https://tinyurl.com/Chi8web

17:11:57 From  Holly Baumann : Bill Hartzog: I'm still in touch with a friend who fits your criterion. How do I contact you?

17:12:18 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : If you need background on August 1968 see http://chicago68.com

17:12:52 From  Stephen Spitz : There was a permit issued for the rally at the Grant Park bandshell on the afternoon of August 28, 1968. I was there.

17:13:08 From  Hal Muskat : Is there a choice to view everyone online?

17:13:29 From  Holly Baumann : Not usually during a webinar...

17:13:52 From  Bill HARTZOG : Bill Hartzog:<whartzog.avocat@gmail.com>

17:13:59 From  Hal Muskat : Thx Holly

17:14:33 From  Stephen Spitz : It was a planned police action.

17:16:09 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : I love crossing state Ines with the intent of doing democracy!

17:16:12 From  Edward Hasbrouck : @BillHartzog - Suggest you contact Joe Jones, joseph.jones@ubc.ca. I also have a mailing list of folks interested in the draft, then and now, inc. some in Canada. Contact me at edward@hasbrouck.org - More here:  http://resisters.info

17:16:16 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Agreed  Sorkin’s film was terrible. MyMother was a juror. We lived thru 5 months of a police state. Mo Mom kept a journal and was a dissenting juror. I can explain the verdict.  The jury is always left out. Hoffman refused hung jury notices and they jury was threatened by the marshals telling them they would be kept there til they reached a verdict.  He also denied them transcripts. My Mother was afraid if he eventually accepted a hung jury, they would be retried.  She felt she betrayed herself because she wanted them innocent on all counts.  She testified at the special hearings and told the truth.  This was after she had given an interview to John Schultz in Evergreen magazine.  Studs Terkel wrote her a letter thanking her for her courage and honesty.  I have curated an exhibit about the trail and her ordeal.

17:18:49 From  Stephen Spitz : Marjorie: Where did you go to high school?

17:19:09 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Maine West in Des Plaines, IL

17:19:24 From  Sue Udry   to   All panelists : Marjorie, where is your exhibit?

17:19:29 From  Anne Herbert   to   All panelists : @majorie is your exhibit online (I am in Australia)

17:19:45 From  Stephen Spitz : Your name sounded familiar. I went to Niles West in Skokie.

17:21:30 From  Stephen Spitz : Thank you Jeremy for insisting on the truth!

17:22:06 From  ML Levine : To Michael Kaufman: About Judge Hoffman (from Appendix B to “The Trial of the Chicago 7: The Official Transcript” by Levine, Greenberg and McNamee: “Judge Hoffman retired from active service in February 1972, taking senior status andhearing less complicated cases. ... In 1982, following lawyers’ complaints that he was drowsy on the bench and erratic, the district court’s executive committee ordered that no new cases be assigned to him. He continued going to his chambers daily until his death in 1983. …”

17:23:35 From  Holly Baumann : Thanks Bill for your email address. I'll be in touch.

17:24:46 From  Stephen Spitz : Thanks for refusing to make stuff up unlike Aaron Sorkin.

17:25:38 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : Some of the story of juror Jean Fritz is told in the book by John Schultz, The Conspiracy Trial of the Chicago Seven https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo73973826.html

17:25:55 From  Anne Herbert   to   All panelists : @ Jeremy, Really appreciate you posting those interviews as well as the movie Jeremy

17:26:27 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Your movie was what everyone needs to see.  I only wish the jury hadn’t been left out.

17:27:09 From  Roberta Wall : Danny Greenberg, are you on this call?

17:27:17 From  Marilyn Golden   to   All panelists : I just came onto zoom. Pls share the link for the page of those interviews with Abbie Hoffman etc. (sorry to be late)

17:27:46 From  Martha Kirpes   to   All panelists : Bill Hartzog, I suggest trying to contact James L. Pease, an Iowa State University emeritus professor of animal ecology.  He was also appointed in the Iowa State University Extension Service where I worked for him as a 4H Program Assistant.  That's how I know from him some of his story of being a war resister/conscientious objector who went to Canada.  I don't have current contact information, but perhaps the emeritus prof info will be of help.

17:27:49 From  Al Glatkowski : Please put the website here in the chat

17:28:01 From  Hal Muskat : Awesome scene! Very well done.

17:29:42 From  Edward Hasbrouck : For the story of the jury, see John Schultz, "Motion Will Be Denied".

17:29:53 From  Bill HARTZOG : To Marjorie Fritz-Birch: could you send a link or reference re “I have curated an exhibit about the trail and her ordeal.”

17:30:32 From  Karin San Juan : What is the lesson to be drawn from the awful treatment of Bobby Seale for the mostly white antiwar movement (including probably everyone watching this webinar)?

17:30:37 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Abbie Hoffman said of the era that it will never happen again…it was Abbie’s last speech in 1989.

17:30:59 From  Anne Herbert : Jeremy's very valuable site that he is talking about is https://conspiracythetrialofthechicago8theofficialunofficialsite.com/

17:31:27 From  Stephen Spitz : Thank you for calling out Sorkin for falsely depicting David Dellinger.

17:31:27 From  Linda Dittmar   to   All panelists : great comments, Jeremy, for all of us to remember.

17:32:38 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : The Edgewater Historical Society west and facebook page.  There is a link to My Mothers’s journal and the Evergreen Magazine interview.  My Mother was Jean Fritz  The exhibit is called The Chicago Conspiracy Trial. one juror’s ordeal.  There is a video of my exhibit.

17:32:41 From  Elaine Butler McCarthy : I THINK Wexler’s 1969 film “Medium Cool” included real footage of police riot in Chicago with protesters shouting “The Whole World Is Watching” — anyone know?

17:33:03 From  Jacek Laskus, ASC, PSC   to   All panelists : yes it did

17:33:09 From  Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : Coach Stu Ball! World Fellowship fam!

17:33:10 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : GenZ here :)

17:33:20 From  Edward Hasbrouck : https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/mary-schmich/ct-met-schmich-chicago-7-fritz-20201015-qctntqcnsfaa5mcgtsntvm64um-story.html

17:33:37 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Would love to connect with peace activists from the 70

17:33:39 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : s

17:33:43 From  Stephen Spitz : Correct about Medium Cool. Actual footage mixed with fictional plot.

17:33:44 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : onward

17:33:57 From  Edward Hasbrouck : Jean Fritz and the Chicago 7 Trial (Loyola U. Archives): https://www.luc.edu/wla/stories/archive/jeanfritzandthechicagoseventrial.shtml

17:34:02 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : My next documentary - https://www.theglobalsunriseproject.com/1-5degreesofpeace

17:34:29 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Feel free to connect with us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasha-sequoia-slavner-64b83a70/

17:35:02 From  Stewart Shevin : Please post Kagen’s historical website he referenced with defendant clips.

17:35:48 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Kay Stevens was the juror and that was a lie.  She did not do that

17:36:02 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : It’s a world of difference this time… no military draft… No massive youth movement coming out of the staid 50s and early 60s.

17:36:03 From  ROBIN MENKEN   to   All panelists : jeremy Great work as usual Robin Mneken Mcdonald

17:36:17 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Thank you Stu

17:36:43 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : Haskell Wexler's Medium Cool was filmed while the DNC rallies and demonstrations were going on.

17:36:54 From  John McAuliff : This is the link to Jeremy's web site   https://conspiracythetrialofthechicago8theofficialunofficialsite.com/

17:37:59 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Mass incarceration and militarized police present a different kind of racism.

17:38:25 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : thank you for the telling the truth about my father, David Dellinger.

17:38:31 From  Ronald Mendel   to   All panelists : I  don't think it is right to pin the responsibility to bring  about social change to one generation; it's the responsibility of all empathetic people regardless of age. 

17:39:36 From  Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : i love this story

17:39:37 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : "Motion Will Be Denied" was re-published, with some new material, as "Conspiracy Trial of the Chicago Seven"

17:41:07 From  Stephen Spitz : Seventh Circuit not Third Circuit.

17:41:36 From  Ted Lieverman : Think he means Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals?

17:41:51 From  ROBIN MENKEN : did you reach out to my Ex Country Joe to participate?

17:42:02 From  Stephen Spitz : Yes. Seventh Circuit.

17:42:06 From  Barbara Joye   to   All panelists : Kay Stevens did not do what? Hard to keep up with this dialogue, but appreciate it.

17:43:09 From  Steven Rosen   to   All panelists : Does Jeremy know where to see the movie Katherine?

17:43:15 From  Holly Baumann : @ Robin Menk… (your last name is truncated on my screen) do you remember Bill Little? If so, he died from cancer a few years ago (I'm his ex)

17:43:24 From  david eberhardt   to   All panelists : FR DAVE Eberhardt, BALTIMORE 4- PLEAE MENTION THE KINGS BAY PLOWSHARES 7  WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?

17:43:49 From  Gary Gordon : Robin Menken... Hi.  (Gary Gordon)

17:44:49 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : Lee Weiner's memoir is Conspiracy to Riot: The Life and Times of One of the Chicago 7 https://beltpublishing.com/products/conspiracy-to-riot

17:44:58 From  Jeremy Kagan   to   All panelists : Katherine can be seen on Amazon - with Sissy Spacek and Art Carney

17:45:32 From  Barbara Joye   to   All panelists : Sound out

17:45:35 From  Pau Cortes   to   All panelists : Is the sound working

17:46:06 From  Jeremy Kagan   to   Steven Rosen and all panelists : Hi there Steven - you can see Katherine via Amazon -

17:46:14 From  Pau Cortes   to   All panelists : -“People identify bobby’s travail and the hideousness” was where it cut off

17:46:21 From  Roberta Wall : Last word we heard was “hideous”, and we needed to take that in, deeply, the traumatizing  of the black body in America thaw were witness to.

17:46:47 From  Steven Rosen   to   All panelists : Thank you, Jeremy, and I’ve always loved The Big Fix.

17:47:32 From  Karin San Juan : @Roberta Wall, thank you for that insight.

17:47:53 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you Anne Herbert

17:48:05 From  Stephen Spitz : The gas in Chicago was not pleasant but also not long lasting.

17:48:19 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : I think of Vietnam napalm bomb survivor Kim Phuc who I interviewed for my last film. I can’t help, as a GenZ, hope my generation will gravitate towards the peace movement the way most of your generation did to protest the Vietnam war!

17:49:25 From  Michael Padwee : Hi Holly—thanks for the heads up on this.

17:49:41 From  Ronald Mendel   to   All panelists : The gagging and chaining of Bobby Seale was symbolic of the US's attempt to subjugate African  Americans, and his resistance symbolised their defiance and dignity.   

17:49:53 From  Peter Kuttner : Two short films about Fred Hampton Produced in Chicago on the 20th Anniversary of his assassination"Power to the People" [1989 | 26 minutes]https://vimeo.com/66480544

"Power to the People" speaks with Black, Latinx and white activists who were influenced by Fred Hampton and the Illinois Black Panther Party. They recall the late 1960s and how the Panther experience still affects their current community work. In doing so, they tell the story of the IL Party and the murder and how it led to the empowerment of Chicago's African-American communities and the election of Chicago's first black mayor, Harold Washington, in 1983.

"Right On: A Friend Remembers Fred Hampton" [1989 |18 minutes] https://vimeo.com/68449275 Veteran community activist Jorja English Palmer [1930-2005] talks of the events of 1948-1969 which led Fred Hampton to the leadership of the Illinois Black Panther Party and to his murder by Chicago police as part of the FBI's secret counter intelligence program - COINTELPRO,

17:49:54 From  David Finke, Oberlin OH : I'd be glad to correspond with anyone for my view and part in all this.  I was "Peace Education Sec'y" of the Midwest Office of American Friends Service Committee.  Our office was a block from the federal courthouse.  It was fairly easy to attend. Fortuitously, I was there for some of the time that Bobby was bound and gagged.  Truly appalling!  I personally protested by putting on a gag and walking around and around the courthouse.  (On AFSC staff 1967-73, working mostly with draft resisters and providing draft counseling downtown and in 30 different community sites.  Write me here:  dhfinke@gmail.com.

Incidentally, a classmate of Rennie's at Oberlin College.  He signed me up in the "Progressive Student League," a component of what became SDS.

17:50:24 From  Roberta Wall : There is a film, the Murder of Fred Hampton.

17:51:05 From  Hal Muskat   to   All panelists : I was thinking of you a mere hour ago Corrina!

17:52:03 From  Peter Kuttner : “The Murder of Fred Hampton” film  https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Fred-Hampton-Howard-Alk/dp/B006VRCMWK

17:52:15 From  Karin San Juan : @Peter Kuttner, thx for the vimeo links on Fred Hampton.

17:53:08 From  Ronald Mendel   to   All panelists : There is also an episode in "Eyes on The  Prize" on the assassination of Fred Hampton. 

17:54:18 From  Paul Morrow : David in Oberlin, I’d be glad to connect with you. I teach at the Human Rights Center at the University of Dayton, and have been working with undergraduates to research the impact of the anti-war movement on campus. Oberlin is a different place from Dayton, to be sure (not least because Wright Patterson AFB is right down the road from us.) I’ve always wondered what the Ohio-area networks in the anti-war movement looked like. Reach me at pmorrow1@udayton.edu, or view the student research at www.vietnamlegacies.com

17:54:45 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : no thank you John I am in a car on my phone, it would be difficult

17:55:49 From  Peter Kuttner : More film on Chairman Fred Hampton and the Rainbow Coalition: “American Revolution 2” https://vimeo.com/351632080 Although “American Revolution 2” begins with footage of the explosive confrontations between the Chicago police and protestors during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the filmmakers (Howard Alk, Mike Gray, and Bill Cottle) quickly move from these clashes to focus on conversations about power, race, and resistance that were taking place in the city. The film is a nuanced, compelling, and timely examination of the unlikely relationship that was developing between the Black Power movement in Chicago and the Young Patriots, a group of impoverished, primarily white, residents of the Uptown neighborhood who were beginning to organize around issues of social mobility, police brutality, and income inequity.

17:56:05 From  Judith Ezekiel   to   All panelists : To David Finke and Peter Kuttner: The Bulleys were AFSC in Toledo and then Dayton Ohio.  They are both dead, but their daughters are alive and Julien Bulley’s archives are in Toledo I think.

17:57:37 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you for your honesty and passion Corinna Fales

17:57:51 From  Judith Ezekiel   to   All panelists : Oops, I meant Paul Morrow.  BTW Paul, my book _Feminism in the Heartland_ talks a bit about the anti-war movement.  And some of my archives at Wright State address the movement

17:58:07 From  Karin San Juan : I’m wondering about the word “predator” in association with Black lesbians in prison?

17:58:15 From  Peter Kuttner : “The First Rainbow Coalition” [2019]   In 1969, the Chicago Black Panther Party began to form alliances across lines of race and ethnicity with other community-based movements in the city, including the Latino group the Young Lords Organization and the southern whites of the Young Patriots. Banding together in one of the most segregated cities in postwar America to collectively confront issues such as police brutality and substandard housing, they called themselves the Rainbow Coalition. The First Rainbow Coalition tells the movement’s little-known story through rare archival footage and interviews with former coalition members in present-day. 

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/the-first-rainbow-coalition/

17:58:16 From  Roberta Wall : Thank you for this courageous and insightful sharing, Corinna. No apologies needed from you, we celebrate you!

17:58:17 From  Tom D'Antoni   to   All panelists : I was arrested in Frederick MD on my way back from a Strategy Action Conference in Madiison for having a bumper sticker that read, "Fuck for Peace."

17:59:08 From  Judy Gumbo : I think both movies are needed & I am grateful to John for organizing 2 webinars. With my late husband Stew Albert I attended and worked at the Trial. I was friends with all the defendants and their lawyers. For me, Sorkin’s is the major motion picture Abbie always wanted; and appeals  especially to millennials today; Kagan’s is a serious movie that has its  audience especially in those looking for inaccuracies and are seeking to correct Sorkin’s film. Bill Kunstler and Lenny Weinglass wrote the introduction to my long out of print book The Conspiracy Trial, the first book to contain the entire transcript plus motions. So -  I may be a minority opinion here but I for one am glad the Chicago defendants and supporters are back in the limelight of resistance, no matter in which film we show up. And even if, like us women, we don’t .Judy Gumbo. www.yippiegirl.com

17:59:23 From  Todd Gitlin : Thank you, Corinna. You are exemplary.

17:59:28 From  Roberta Wall : @Corinna Fales, where in NC do you live? Iive inAsheville.

17:59:32 From  Hal Muskat : Corrina! Thank you.

17:59:43 From  ROBIN MENKEN : to Holly So sorry to hear that

17:59:48 From  Jeremy Kagan   to   All panelists : thank you Corrina for sharing and insights

18:00:04 From  Ronald Mendel   to   All panelists : A thought provoking talk, Corinna. 

18:00:06 From  ROBIN MENKEN : yo Gary still organizing?

18:00:07 From  Bill HARTZOG : BILL HARTZOG: AMEN CORINNA!

18:00:14 From  Barry Lynn : Extraordinary reflection Corrina.

18:00:21 From  Doris Friedensohn   to   All panelists : Go. Corinna.  Paul L

18:00:26 From  Frank Joyce : Thank you Corrina that was very valuable.

18:01:01 From  Gary Gordon : Robin... working  on two novels.  Cindy is still doing political work.  Miss you.

18:01:10 From  Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: Do you remember him?

18:01:18 From  david eberhardt   to   All panelists : TOO MUCH WAR STORIES- WHAT TACTIX FOR NOw????

18:01:48 From  Steve Wasserman : Admire your fearless truth-telling, Corinna. I don’t hold with the view that to see a distorted reflection of our own faces in a film, i.e. Sorkin’s, in the hope that it will appeal to a younger generation, is sufficient to overlook its numerous and distorting flaws. Such a view insults the intelligence of millennials, assuming as it does that somehow a self-serving myth is needed to engage their interest.

18:01:53 From  Hal Muskat : For those who don’t know, Corrina Fales worked at the United States Serviceman’s Fund after Chicago. USSF existed to support anti war members of the Armed Forces. USSF raised money to pay the rent at our Coffee Houses, for our printing costs. She mailed us packets each week of incredible information from OTHER bases where anti war GI’s were organizing.

18:02:28 From  Hal Muskat : Corrina Fales has been a hero of mine for 50 years. GREAT to see you here!

18:02:39 From  Holly Baumann : Does anyone know how long this is scheduled to last?

18:02:47 From  Marita Rivero : Thank you Corinna for speaking truth.  Many layers here we need to understand.  YES, my sister,

18:02:48 From  Holly Baumann : I mean the webinar itself

18:03:00 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Abbie had great idealism , supreme intelligence, and warts like the rest of us.

18:03:51 From  Stephen Spitz : Is Bobby Seale going to speak? I would certainly be interested in what he has to say.

18:04:22 From  Corinna Fales   to   Marita Rivero and all panelists : I love you!

18:04:41 From  John McAuliff : Bobby is the next speaker

18:04:52 From  Al Glatkowski : Corinna, I live in Duck, NC. I am a member of VVAW/Old School Sappers & Veterans For Peace.  Thank you for all you have done and continue to do.  I was one of the mutineers who stopped Napalm during the war in SE Asia. All Power To The People! and Respect to you

18:05:01 From  Stephen Spitz : Thank you John.

18:05:11 From  Judy Gumbo   to   All panelists : Corinna: Great speech - thank you! can you give me the names of the other 3 women unindicted co’s? I’d appreciate it. yippiegirl@gmail.com.

18:05:18 From  Roberta Wall : Where is Duck,NC? I I’ve in Asheville.

18:05:25 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you Stephen

18:05:42 From  Hal Muskat : Hi Al. Hope you all healthy & still giggling!

18:05:43 From  Stephen Spitz : Duck is in the Outer Banks on the ocean.

18:06:02 From  Al Glatkowski : HO Ho Ho!

18:06:08 From  Roberta Wall : Nice. I”m in the mountains….

18:06:09 From  Corinna Fales   to   Judy Gumbo and all panelists : two others - but I don t know if they want ot b indentified, Judy

18:06:11 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Abbie had to live with the reality of his protest coming up against Reaganism in the end.

18:06:44 From  Al Glatkowski : my email is aglatkowskiyahoo.com

18:06:50 From  ROBIN MENKEN : trying to remeber Bill. tell em more

18:07:10 From  Mark Solomons   to   All panelists : I saw Abbie as Stand up comic at Other Cafe in SF.

18:07:15 From  jeff kisseloff : I was one of the last people who interviewed Abbie. He said he was s urprised he was still alive and was very very down.

18:07:31 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you Michael L, excellent

18:07:32 From  Barbara Garson   to   All panelists : Corinna, It's Barbara Garson, I didn't go to Chicago because I suspected Tom would use us, if he could, to bargain with some faction of the Democratic party.  Mind you I hardly knew Tom and I was obviously wrong.  I wonder what made him seem like a manipulator to me.    But enough of this.  You and I knew each other so long ago that we didn't even have email then.  Contact me at bagarson@yahoo.com .

18:07:36 From  Mark Solomons   to   All panelists : he was promoting anti contra in Nicaragua

18:07:40 From  Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: He spent the night once with the ex of Country Joe (I never knew her name; was it you?)

18:07:41 From  ROBIN MENKEN : So sad that Saul and Haskell are gone

18:07:46 From  david eberhardt   to   All panelists : FR DAVE EBERHARDT- WHAT R U DOING NOW????

18:08:05 From  Al Glatkowski : We are all getting old

18:08:18 From  ROBIN MENKEN : embarrassing , possibly need to see a picture. I was pretty wild

18:08:28 From  Corinna Fales   to   david eberhardt and all panelists : hey dave :)

18:08:41 From  Mark Solomons   to   All panelists : @ Robin Saul...Landau?

18:08:48 From  Judy Gumbo   to   All panelists : Thanks Corinna: I appreciate your discretion.

18:09:02 From  Al Glatkowski : All Power To The People!

18:09:04 From  Stephen Spitz : Roberta: My sister lives in New York City and is a musician. She was supposed to be an artist in residence this summer in the mountains near Asheville but the pandemic happened. I was planning to visit her and will if she does it.

18:09:23 From  Holly Baumann : @Robin Menken: Probably 1970, relatively early in the year, slim chance late 1969?

18:09:54 From  ROBIN MENKEN : Yo Carl. you . Remember Ann Bowen’s friend Robin Menken Pitschel Players

18:10:04 From  Al Glatkowski : Ha, Ha, Ha, sorry but love that visual.

18:10:49 From  Karin San Juan : the gag was mummifying

18:11:32 From  Doug Gerash : Thank you for your courage, Al Glatkowski!

18:12:44 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : My Mother was shaking and crying in the jury booth when this was happening.  She wrote about it in her journal and was beyond upset.  The trial was a life changing experience for her.  Never trusted the government again and became a life long liberal

18:13:04 From  Karin San Juan : the gagging scene involves the guard punching Bobby

18:13:49 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Bobby Seale: History called out your name and you knew exactly what to do…

18:13:52 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : yes we were all horrified, upset and angry

18:14:13 From  Karin San Juan : You hit me in my balls motherfucker!

18:14:18 From  david eberhardt   to   All panelists : WHWER R THE YUTES O TODAY RE REPUBLICANS?

18:14:30 From  Al Glatkowski : Jesus Christ, Bobby, can totally relate. Geronimo and I were in solitary together when in LA Max

18:14:34 From  Karin San Juan : “Goliath"

18:14:45 From  Karin San Juan : “Arizona”

18:15:47 From  Karin San Juan : three forms of gagging

18:16:17 From  Karin San Juan : great imitation of the judge

18:16:35 From  Karin San Juan : acting in the manner of a free person

18:16:38 From  Al Glatkowski : Speaking truth power. thank you Bobby

18:16:42 From  Roberta Wall : I am honored to bear witness to Bobby’s words and truth telling.

18:17:31 From  Stephen Spitz : Riveting Bobby!

18:17:49 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : So important to keep this story alive because it’s still happening today. So sad.

18:17:54 From  Isaac Kirk-Davidoff : so much work to do to counter COINTELPRO still

18:18:18 From  Barbara Garson   to   All panelists : Robin Menken,Good lord.   Hi from Barbara Garson.   Robin, Ann Bowen is very ill and would probably love a phone call from you.   Barbara

18:18:33 From  Gary Gordon : Question re Sorkin's film and the truth:  Was Hampton at the trial?  Rennie wrote in his facebook essays he wasn't, and several people in the previous webinar said they don't remember Hampton being there and the suggestion implied in the Sorkin film that Hampton "coaching" Seale was the reason for the gagging was inaccurate. 

18:18:46 From  Al Glatkowski : yes, you won.

18:18:50 From  Judith Ezekiel   to   All panelists : I would like to hear Bobby Seale talk about his relationship to the others.  The Sorkin shows no relationship whatsoever.

18:18:55 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : So many lessons that young activists can learn from our elders.

18:19:33 From  Judy Gumbo   to   All panelists : No, Hampton was not at the Trial coaching Bobby. He did bodyguard Bobby when Bobby spoke in Lincoln Park.

18:19:38 From  Terry Murray   to   All panelists : This is small potatoes but I saw my parents' Red Squad files a few years ago. and mine - I was 16 yrs old when I got my Red Squad file

18:20:15 From  Stephen Spitz : Jeff Fort: Blackstone Ranger?

18:20:42 From  Dean Blobaum   to   All panelists : Yes, the Hampton character in the Sorkin film raises questions. Also: did Fred participate in defendant strategy meetings?

18:20:52 From  Judy Gumbo : Fred Hampton was not to my knowledge at the Trial. He didn’t coach Bobby as Sorkin’s film portrays. He did bodyguard Bobby when Bobby spoke in Lincoln Park.

18:20:59 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Fred Hampton was never at the trial and he was murdered a month and half after Bobby Seale was taken off the trial.

18:21:18 From  Hal Muskat : The best dramatic representation of what Bobby went though, (not to throw shade on this movie) was in the San Francisco Mime Troupe’s “Seize The Time,” portrayal of the trial. Each time the marshals would grab Bobby, the “motion” on stage slowed to painfully slow as the brutality was played out.

18:21:40 From  Stephen Spitz : Fred Hampton was murdered on December 4, 1969.

18:22:15 From  Barbara Garson : Robin Menkin, Wow!  Robin, Ann Bowen is very sick.  She could use a call from anyone who rmembers her as the great director she is.  Barbara

18:22:18 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : That type of coalition is happening now.

18:23:11 From  ROBIN MENKEN : YIKES IM ON IT ALTHOUGH IM NOT SURE I HAVE NER NUMBER IN The new aprtment

18:24:10 From  david eberhardt   to   All panelists : HOPE PERSONS WILL NOT JUST  E B OOSTERISTIC

18:25:06 From  Judy Gumbo : Great imitation of J. Edgar Hoover Bobby! Love from Judy Gumbo

18:25:10 From  ROBIN MENKEN : barbara can i reach you? Or You could go to Country Joes site and have him forward you my email or vice versa

18:25:33 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Make sure the DEMs win those two seats!!!!

18:26:15 From  Barbara Joye   to   All panelists : Which Barbara?

18:26:23 From  Roberta Wall : Bobby Seale, a great American organizer, leader, teacher.

18:26:30 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Such a fear of the word ‘progressive’ should be more fear of the word ‘regressive'.

18:27:18 From  Marjorie Fritz-Birch : Thank you Bobby Seak

18:27:22 From  Gary Gordon : Thank you, Bobby!

18:27:23 From  Bob Meola : Thank you, Bobby!

18:27:47 From  ROBIN MENKEN : how about fear of communication and reading

18:28:13 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Ronald Reagan: The man who wanted to make ketchup a school lunch vegetable.

18:28:21 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you for this testimony, Bobby

18:28:51 From  ROBIN MENKEN : and Bert Schneider

18:29:00 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : what an honor it is to hear you today Bobby! thank you thank you thank you

18:29:11 From  Karin San Juan : @Muskat, did the SF Mime Troupe show on the trial involve Peter Coyote? is there a recording anywhere?

18:29:18 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : #bebravebiden

18:29:20 From  Al Glatkowski : Geronimo, finally got out, but he has passed too

18:29:21 From  Peter Kuttner : STEPHEN SPITZ: Yes. Jeff Fort was from the Blackstone Rangers. https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/jeff-fort-1947/

18:29:33 From  Hal Muskat : Thanks you Bobby!

18:29:55 From  Karin San Juan : Wonderful to hear directly from Bobby Seale! Thank you!

18:30:23 From  Al Glatkowski : Yes, a cultural hero

18:30:25 From  Barbara Garson : Robin, I don't want to put phone number here.  I believe she took her old land line number when she moved.  If you have trouble,   email me at bagarson@yahaoo.com  And how are you?  I'm embarrassingly fine.  

18:30:42 From  Hal Muskat : Karen, I don’t remember Coyote in that production. Can’t find a tape of it in online SFMT archives. I’ma gonna make some calls over the weekend.

18:31:31 From  ROBIN MENKEN : bless you babe. legally blind blinded 20 years ago by FDA tests. You fierec artist you

18:32:29 From  Stephen Spitz : Wow. Jeff Fort was born 8 days after me. I was born on the Southside of Chicago, was a teacher on the Southside, a caseworker on the Southside and went to the University of Chicago Law School on the Southside of Chicago during the years that Jeff Fort led the Blackstone Rangers.

18:32:38 From  Kristin Cabral   to   All panelists : I still own my “Barbeque’n with Bobby” cookbook.

18:33:58 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you Carl, for your witness

18:35:03 From  Al Glatkowski : it is in his soul and you represented it well

18:35:26 From  Stephen Spitz : Thank you Bobby and Carl!

18:35:32 From  Al Glatkowski : and it is ok to cry. all power

18:36:10 From  Karin San Juan : a courtroom of justice, a hall of freedom, as a site of racist state violence

18:36:21 From  John McAuliff   to   Jon Wiener(Privately) : Do you want to speak about why Bobby was included in the indictment?

18:37:11 From  Jon Wiener   to   John McAuliff(Privately) : happy to speak briefly but might be better to ask Bobby why he thinks he was indicted.

18:39:11 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank you Jeremy Kagan for all you have done

18:39:21 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : All efforts must be directed towards winning the two seats in Georgia right now.

18:39:30 From  Al Glatkowski : Yeah, correct

18:39:30 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : thank you Carl for your heart and beautiful words

18:39:30 From  Gary Gordon : Will there be any discussion of the contempt charges and the contempt trial in '73 when the defendants and lawyers returned to Chicago to fight those charges/sentences?

18:40:14 From  Al Glatkowski : totally right on Bobby, things have change in today’s world

18:40:27 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Plus all around the world in solidarity!!!

18:40:39 From  Roberta Wall : There were thousands of us with you in the streets of New Haven Bobby.

18:40:42 From  Holly Baumann   to   All panelists : I need to leave soon. How long do you anticipate this webinar will last?

18:40:47 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Here to in Toronto

18:41:00 From  Al Glatkowski : Right Kasha, it has change!

18:41:14 From  Barbara Joye   to   All panelists : Protesters in Atlanta and I’m sure elsewhere have been charged with felony terrorist charges and denied bail.  12 of them.

18:41:57 From  ROBIN MENKEN : and Biden need to help reach out to embittered rural whites, to work on rural wif access  medical clinics and individual farm support initiatives

18:43:20 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Elders and GenZ - intersectional and intergenerational. There’s no time to waste, climate crisis will level us all. Time for humanity to come together.

18:43:25 From  Barbara Joye   to   All panelists : Thanks Bobby too many of my younger comrades get off on dissing some of the people we need in the coalition.

18:43:40 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : https://www.theglobalsunriseproject.com/1-5degreesofpeace

18:44:03 From  Gary Gordon : Bobby, your candidacy in Oakland and Tom's running for office and Julian Bond and Paul Soglin inspired me to run (and win) for City Commission.  (Gary Gordon)..  When I told the City Manager I campaigned on the buses because I saw a clip of you doing that he 'bout had a heart attack.

18:44:03 From  Al Glatkowski : All Power!

18:44:04 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : All these issues are because of greed and lack of imagination.

18:44:05 From  ROBIN MENKEN : Right on

18:44:18 From  Corinna Fales   to   Al Glatkowski and all panelists : Hey Duck, NC. Thank you for YOUR service!

18:44:46 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : THRIVE movement

18:44:52 From  Judy Gumbo : The Panther’s name for us white supporters was “white mother country radicals.” Based on the Panther’s view that as a colony of  white America the Panthers sought out white support. With Black people leading. Like Bobby says, Power to all the People, Panther power to the Vanguard. Thank you Bobby and Carl!

18:44:56 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Poor Peoples Movement

18:44:59 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : BLM

18:45:07 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Fridays for Future.

18:45:15 From  Roberta Wall : Please post the email for bobby’s not for profit

18:45:22 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : So many movements - let’s all join together.

18:45:51 From  ROBIN MENKEN : localize government. grassroots! starve out the federal corporate complicity at the top, everywhere.

18:46:29 From  ROBIN MENKEN : cpmplementary money -localize economies

18:53:02 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : @judy gumbo - didn’t know you were  born in Toronto - where do you live now?

18:53:58 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Solidarity and connections among protest movements and movements for social uplift are essential!

18:54:19 From  Judy Gumbo : Berkeley CA

18:55:06 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Thanks.

18:55:58 From  Jim Barton : chicagohistory.org/the-whole-world-is-watching

18:56:06 From  Judy Gumbo : Sure - RU in Toronto ???

18:56:14 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : That was powerful!

18:56:23 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Yes - based here but advocate everywhere :)

18:56:37 From  Jim Barton : Did the juror's daughter refer us to this site?

18:56:46 From  Andrea Raila : Great testimony Marjorie Fritz Birch!  Your mom is an unsung heroine  I will look her journals up at Loyola University God bless

18:57:11 From  Anne Herbert : Can a website, if any, for Marjorie's exhibition of her mother's experience and perspectives be posted here please?

18:57:20 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Still no reparations for Vietnam.

18:57:58 From  Judy Gumbo : I’m delighted you advocate everywhere. Check out my website www.yippiegirl.com and keep up your great work!

18:58:09 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : I interviewed Kim Phuc for my last film. She lives here in Canada

18:58:10 From  Andrea Raila : From Edward Hasbrouck to Everyone:  04:33 PM

Jean Fritz and the Chicago 7 Trial (Loyola U. Archives): https://www.luc.edu/wla/stories/archive/jeanfritzandthechicagoseventrial.shtml

18:58:54 From  Karin San Juan : great clip! the judge is so hateful. Dave D is so dignified

18:58:55 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : thank you Jeremy!

18:59:29 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : @judy - I did, my mom sent me your website on the last webinar and I check you out. Pretty cool!

18:59:38 From  Judy Gumbo : Kasha and Maria: you can contact me thru my website www.yippiegirl.com I’d like to hear more!

19:00:12 From  Edward Hasbrouck : Tyhe movment for youth liberation has also been largely forgotten.

19:00:14 From  Jeremy Kagan   to   Natasha Dellinger Singer and all panelists : So glad to be able to share some of the truth about your father.

19:00:19 From  Judy Gumbo : You are pretty cool yourself!

19:00:33 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : The government and media have disappeared the antiwar movement. Push back!

19:00:41 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Here’s my email - theglobalsunriseproject@gmail.com - my next film is on the climate crisis and peace movement.

19:01:16 From  Al Glatkowski : Thank all of you, John and your incredible group, for putting this all together. I am currently working to pull together some of the olde VVAW (Old School Sappers) together for a weekly or more frequently, international call with these comrades

19:01:20 From  Roberta Wall : They killed Martin Luther King after he spoke out against the Vietnam War

19:01:46 From  Steve Wasserman : Tom Hayden’s last book was “Hell No: The Forgotten Power of the Vietnam Peace Movement,” which I edited and published at Yale University Press.

19:02:28 From  Karin San Juan : See more from John McAuliff, Judy Gumbo, Rennie Davis, Frank Joyce here:

19:02:29 From  Karin San Juan : https://justworldbooks.com/books-by-title/people-make-peace/

19:02:39 From  Judy Gumbo : Thank you Kasha & Maria - let’s keep in touch!

19:02:58 From  Al Glatkowski : It’s a crazy call, like rounding up feral cats, but very worth it. thank you all again! As Bobby says, All Power to ALL the People!

19:02:59 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Yes, that would be great - thanks @judy!

19:03:28 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Love her!

19:03:36 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : Jeremy, we watched your film when my daughter was 12 years old. we were so upset when we watched Sorkin’s film, and she said to me she remembered watching your film as a family and we were happy with it! I was surprised she remembered.

19:03:38 From  Weldon Nisly   to   All panelists : Thanks to John and everyone then and now for this tragic and defining antiwar movement! 

19:05:22 From  Norman Stockwell : Thank you everyone for a great program.

19:05:43 From  Karin San Juan : Thank you everyone for work toward peace and ending war!

19:05:44 From  Jon Wiener : thanks everybody!

19:05:47 From  Elaine Butler McCarthy : thank you to everyone connected to this webinar and to the film and to the movment: all power to all the people indeed

19:05:48 From  Natasha Dellinger Singer   to   All panelists : thank you John for doing this.

19:05:55 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : Thanks so much1

19:05:56 From  Kasha&Marla Slavner : !

19:05:57 From  Barbara Garson : I worked in one of the anti war G.I. coffee houses.  Anti war GIs were so frightening to the government that for years they avoided conflicts for fear of the "Vietnam syndrome".  Their eventual solution was the volunteer army.  So yes, it's the movement they'd like Americans to forget.  Barbara Garson

19:06:06 From  Howard Lisnoff   to   All panelists : Who Spoke Up… great history of antiwar protest.

19:06:13 From  Hal Muskat : Where did you work Barbara?

19:06:14 From  Judy Gumbo : hey Barbara G!

19:06:18 From  Steve Wasserman : Thanks to all who organized, participated, and attended this indispensable webinar.

19:06:22 From  Al Glatkowski : good night!



Q & A

1 What happened to Judge Hoffman after the trial and the reversals of the verdicts? Michael Kaufman

3 Try again, for Jon:  did the incident in the Sorkin film where Tom Hayden stood up when the Judge came in, even though they had agreed not to--did that ever happen? Steven Cobble

4 What does Jeremy Kagan think about Haskell Wexler's film Medium Cool? Michael Kaufman

5 Stuart--I asked this of Jon, but I'll ask you, too--did the incident in the Sorkin film where Tom Hayden stood up when the judge came in, even though they had agreed not to--did that happen?  I knew Tom, and it seems unlikely...     Steve Steven Cobble

6 Would love to hear from defendents and lawyers on their thoughts on how to fight back against similar political trials today. We are trying to fight court repression of anti-racist activists in New York (http://bit.ly/AmnestyForAll) Isaac Kirk-Davidoff

7 To Bobby Seale - A number of Jews seemed to be part of the trail as defendants or lawyers, and of course the judge. How have you seen the Black / Jewish relationship change in the movement since the 60s? Anonymous Attendee

8 Will a copy of this be posted on Jeremys website complete with the chats.  I will look for it there. Daniel Dickmeyer

9 What happened to Dellinger's daughter speaking? Anonymous Attendee  
She was in a car and couldn't do it.  See her comment in chat.


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